The Labour Government

inbetween said:
I'm not defending it, I just think in the grand scheme of things it's a drop in the ocean compared to what has happened to pensioner wellbeing over many years. It's as though pensioners shouldn't care about their health, wellbeing and social care being taken away but god forbid you ever take away that £300. Yeah Labour have done it but the Tories did far worse and so we now have a Labour government, let's see where the next 5 years takes us?

Labour should be criticised but they should also be given time. We're talking about a winter benefit that is payable in winter, it's barely autumn and it's sunny and 20°c out, it won't become an issue for months and there may yet be a remedy. I don't believe that Labour will just decide to permanently degrade pensioner benefits and see them become worse than the Tories.

Labour are working in a difficult inherited fiscal climate and a governmental system built around 15 years of Tory policy. I'll reserve my judgement and things do often get worse before they get better. Were you one of those calling for Pep's head after 2 months?
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Yeah sure, it's all headed in the right direction alright.

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Chippy_boy said:
Yeah sure, it's all headed in the right direction alright.

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If anything all this should teach you is that every single politician is a pillock and you just need to sort between the various flavours but you'll still get a pillock. I'd do away with the entire lot of them if that was a choice.

I more subscribe to the apathy party which actually by voting numbers would nearly outvote every party put together.
 
inbetween said:
If anything all that this should teach you is that every single politician is a pillock and you just need to sort between the various flavours but you'll still get a pillock. I'd do away with the entire lot of them if that was a choice.

I more subscribe to the apathy party which actually by voting numbers would nearly outvote every party put together.
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I tend to agree with you.

However, I think probably the majority of MPs on both sides are decent, fair-minded, hard working people who genuinely went into politics to try to make things better. My guess 500+ at least fall into that category.

The problem is that to get anywhere up the greasy pole, you have to throw away your principles and try to defend indefensible bollocks or else you will never get a look in for promotion ever again. There's hardly any free votes in the commons and MPs are expected to obey the whips or else.

Perhaps an good improvement to our democratic processes would be to get rid of the whips altogether and make everything a free vote. If that was the case, I am pretty sure even with Labour's humungous majority, the reprehensible WFA vote would never have passed.
 
Well all I can say is the uncertainty around the budget and spending is starting to impact critical infrastructure projects. Lots of projects for the public sector (Rail, Nuclear, Defence) delaying decisions until Jan 2025 and not willing to proceed into the next phase of the work.
 
Train drivers have voted overwhelmingly to accept a multi-year pay deal, ending a two-year dispute at 16 train companies, their union Aslef has announced.

finally! well done Labour.
sorting out pay for junior doctors and ending the risk of further strikes is also huge.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Train drivers have voted overwhelmingly to accept a multi-year pay deal, ending a two-year dispute at 16 train companies, their union Aslef has announced.

finally! well done Labour.
sorting out pay for junior doctors and ending the risk of further strikes is also huge.
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BlueHammer85 said:
Train drivers have voted overwhelmingly to accept a multi-year pay deal, ending a two-year dispute at 16 train companies, their union Aslef has announced.

finally! well done Labour.
sorting out pay for junior doctors and ending the risk of further strikes is also huge.
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But they haven't !

BBC News - Junior doctors want more despite backing pay deal - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy5yy13ng33o

As for the pay deal with ASLEF it looks, on the surface at least, that the unions got what they asked for without any reforms to working practices. No wonder they've accepted it.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Train drivers have voted overwhelmingly to accept a multi-year pay deal, ending a two-year dispute at 16 train companies, their union Aslef has announced.

finally! well done Labour.
sorting out pay for junior doctors and ending the risk of further strikes is also huge.
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Are you serious???

Just lobbing a load of (our) money at them and you think that deserves a "well done"?

Just how difficult would you find it to give someone else's money away??? You'll be congratulating them for breathing next.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Are you serious???

Just lobbing a load of (our) money at them and you think that deserves a "well done"?

Just how difficult would you find it to give someone else's money away??? You'll be congratulating them for breathing next.
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The money deducted from your salary and other taxes etc, e.g. VAT isn't your money. It's public money.

The Conservative goverment of which you had posters on your bedroom wall gave much more money away to compensate passengers for delays away due to prolonging strikes and guaranteeing profits of TOCs.
 
Oooohhhh I am celebrating today, it is wonderful news. I may not be getting the £300 (I'm over 80 so I would have been) WFA but I will be getting the £10 bonus.
I am so thrilled, so grateful, so delighted, so contented. I'm thinking of going and booking myself a holiday. I'm sure £10 will get me to the bottom of my garden and back. Oh delirium.


;-) :-)
 
Eccles Blue said:
Oooohhhh I am celebrating today, it is wonderful news. I may not be getting the £300 (I'm over 80 so I would have been) WFA but I will be getting the £10 bonus.
I am so thrilled, so grateful, so delighted, so contented. I'm thinking of going and booking myself a holiday. I'm sure £10 will get me to the bottom of my garden and back. Oh delirium.


;-) :-)
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Save it Eccles.

You might need to burn it to keep warm this winter.

Don’t worry about Starmers wife though. She will have a £5k fur coat on someone has gifted her and the hubby can claim the heating costs anyway so the radiators are on full blast.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Train drivers have voted overwhelmingly to accept a multi-year pay deal, ending a two-year dispute at 16 train companies, their union Aslef has announced.

finally! well done Labour.
sorting out pay for junior doctors and ending the risk of further strikes is also huge.
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Chippy_boy said:
Are you serious???

Just lobbing a load of (our) money at them and you think that deserves a "well done"?

Just how difficult would you find it to give someone else's money away??? You'll be congratulating them for breathing next.
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Why are we paying them ? They work in privatised businesses .
 
Don Karleone said:




Trouble in paradise.
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How would you know what paradise is? You live in perpetual misery! :-)

It’s a bit concerning though tbf, Labour had the perfect opportunity to come in and give the country a much needed boost yet have managed to fuck it right up for little benefit in the long term with the removal of WFA.
I’d still be willing to wait and see what some of the policies they have in store before claiming they are anything like the last mob who were rightly fucked off.
 
Phil1 said:
How would you know what paradise is? You live in perpetual misery! :-)

It’s a bit concerning though tbf, Labour had the perfect opportunity to come in and give the country a much needed boost yet have managed to fuck it right up for little benefit in the long term with the removal of WFA.
I’d still be willing to wait and see what some of the policies they have in store before claiming they are anything like the last mob who were rightly fucked off.
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scrapped the Rwandan plan, sorted out pay for doctors and trains and ended the strikes - lifeblood of our country.
Stamped out the Farage racist riots.
Starmer working with EU states on a regular basis, discussing migration issue with Italy PM.
GB Energy looking like a great initiative to help tackle climate change but also not relying on foreign investment.
Coming down on water firms which the Tories let pollute our rivers and seas, also coming down on the Covid dodgy contracts and wasted billions.

lots of positives so far in which is very early days.
 
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