The Labour Government

[Mr Kobayashi]

Again absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with my initial post, not sure what you're struggling with tbh.

Labour MP's decide to end or limit the RTB scheme despite the same people purchasing their own council home with this scheme in the past.

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Not even bothered she sold it, just the fact that she thinks it was fine for herself but not for others.

Maybe these are the hypocrites you need to look at.

We would all be hypocrites in her position. I know I would. Most people would do the best for their family.

Not sure why wider discussion is prompting you getting your knickers in a twist. That's kind of the point of discussion forums.

 

[kaz7]

Agree, but the only way you can judge the success of anti people smuggling operations is in the number of small boat crossings. If they drop its being successful.

True , this will take time but i think they are getting more smugglers in their sights now and coming up with a plan with the rest of europe

We need staff for the nhs and care system , they are struggling big time since brexit and covid and burnout etc , surely we can assess all migrants quicker , if they are allowed to stay let them crack on and apply for these jobs

 

[bluenova]

I should have said population has expended since the mid to late 90s. And this is undoubtedly due to immigration.

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And the majority of that population growth has occurred in England which just concentrates and exasperates the housing shortage even further.

According to the govt stats in the House of Commons library, the first year in the 90s that net migration in England & Wales, outstripped other rises was 1999.

However, increases due to more births/less deaths, actually rose again quite considerably, and at some points in the 2010s they again outstripped net migration.

As I said, these figures also don't reflect societal changes, such as the rise in smaller households. Single person households have trebled since 2000 - that's over 5 million additional household, and they are disproportionately white people. So, when you add in the population changes, the societal changes, and net migration, it's a big issue, but picking one area and saying "that's the problem" is oversimplifying.

Not building enough social housing, building too many underoccupied 'investment properties', an increase in second homes, an increase in airbnb/part time rentals, could all be added on the other side of the equation.

There are more issues of supply and demand that I've not even covered. All I'm arguing is that immigration being the main focus is incorrect, especially when their are many reasons why a country's economy can benefit from immigration. Cutting it down dramatically, won't solve housing, and it will have a knock on effect in the wider economy.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

They rent landlords charge is dictated to them by the demand. It's that simple.

And supply and market conditions which as a collective group they have restricted by Nimbyism and anti-tennant legislation. It's no coincidence that as Maggie was flogging off council houses that legislation that rolled back security of tenure on long term lets.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

We would all be hypocrites in her position. I know I would. Most people would do the best for their family.

Is it hypocritical to buy a council house in 2007 when you're not an MP, and then 17 years later in the middle of the worst housing crisis in a generation, with souring private rents and huge amounts of public money going to private landlords, suggest that actually, it might not be a bad idea for the government to keep a stock of council housing?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

According to the govt stats in the House of Commons library, the first year in the 90s that net migration in England & Wales, outstripped other rises was 1999.

However, increases due to more births/less deaths, actually rose again quite considerably, and at some points in the 2010s they again outstripped net migration.

As I said, these figures also don't reflect societal changes, such as the rise in smaller households. Single person households have trebled since 2000 - that's over 5 million additional household, and they are disproportionately white people. So, when you add in the population changes, the societal changes, and net migration, it's a big issue, but picking one area and saying "that's the problem" is oversimplifying.

Not building enough social housing, building too many underoccupied 'investment properties', an increase in second homes, an increase in airbnb/part time rentals, could all be added on the other side of the equation.

There are more issues of supply and demand that I've not even covered. All I'm arguing is that immigration being the main focus is incorrect, especially when their are many reasons why a country's economy can benefit from immigration. Cutting it down dramatically, won't solve housing, and it will have a knock on effect in the wider economy.

You only have to look at the population growth. We have had two periods of significant population growth since the war2, a period up until the 1970, the baby boomer period combined with some limited immigration. After this period our population was relatively stable for about 20years. Then we have had a significant popukation increase since the mid 1990s. I assume you are not disputing this later increase in uk population ? If you do not, what do you put this population rise down to? It can be only one of two things? either a sudden increase in uk residents deciding to have more babies or immigration?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

And supply and market conditions which as a collective group they have restricted by Nimbyism and anti-tennant legislation. It's no coincidence that as Maggie was flogging off council houses that legislation that rolled back security of tenure on long term lets.

Regardless, it's still supply and demand that controls rent prices. Which I know you agree with even if it is reluctantly.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

True , this will take time but i think they are getting more smugglers in their sights now and coming up with a plan with the rest of europe

We need staff for the nhs and care system , they are struggling big time since brexit and covid and burnout etc , surely we can assess all migrants quicker , if they are allowed to stay let them crack on and apply for these jobs

Two different things here, one is controlled immigration where people apply for jobs. The other is illegal uncontrolled migration, where the state has no control over the people coming in or their suitability for any job vacancies.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Regardless, it's still supply and demand that controls rent prices. Which I know you agree with even if it is reluctantly.

It's not only supply and demand. We've gone over this many times. Not sure there's anymore point explaining it you.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Two different things here, one is controlled immigration where people apply for jobs. The other is illegal uncontrolled migration, where the state has no control over the people coming in or their suitability for any job vacancies.

It's not illegal if they are asylum seekers and have a valid claim. Another thing to add to the notebook.