The Labour Government

kaz7 said:
Nice they have referred to us on benefits as cheats as the default position . , loads of people like me will drop through the cracks

I didnt vote for this shit
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benefit cheats cost taxpayers billions and many young people are not taking jobs to take benefits instead. Only right they crack down on this - why would you drop through the cracks ?
 
kaz7 said:
Nice they have referred to us on benefits as cheats as the default position . , loads of people like me will drop through the cracks

I didnt vote for this shit
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kaz7 said:
For years labour said there would be a windfall tax on the energy companies , have i missed it ? Fucking over pensioners and the sick and disabled is easier i guess
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I didn’t think trying to claim benefits could be made any harder for sick and disabled people, it sounds like the government don’t believe in people suffering from long covid or people waiting for hospital appointments are sick.
The message even before Labour won the election was all about “working people” I had a sense every one else was going to pay the price.
In the end Labour won’t get time to sort out the NHS, build new homes or improve our schools because the right wing are already agitating calling for a GE.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
benefit cheats cost taxpayers billions and many young people are not taking jobs to take benefits instead. Only right they crack down on this - why would you drop through the cracks ?
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No where near as much as tax avoidance costs the taxpayer’s
HMRC estimated £5.5 billion lost due to tax evasion in 2022-23 – 81% from small businesses (up from 66% in 2019-20
HMRC estimates around £400 million in tax was lost in 2020/21 because of avoidance schemes, and a further £800 million was lost in other forms of avoidance behaviour, i.e underreporting income and writing off personal expenses.

Altogether, that’s a whopping £1.2 billion lost to tax evasion
 
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BlueAnorak said:
Labour are shooting themselves in the foot.
Growth has flattened and many pensioners are scared to death.
Never in a billion years did I think Labour would out do the Sunnak's Torries for incompetence- yet here we are.
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Scared to death? By pensions going up by £41 a week over 3 years?

Or by scaremongering?

Seriously, there is pensioner poverty, but deal with that, so pensioners who need £4 a week to help pay fuel bills get it, but not pensioners who'd spend it on another flat white.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
I didn’t think trying to claim benefits could be made any harder for sick and disabled people, it sounds like the government don’t believe in people suffering from long covid or people waiting for hospital appointments are sick.
The message even before Labour won the election was all about “working people” I had a sense every one else was going to pay the price.
In the end Labour won’t get time to sort out the NHS, build new homes or improve our schools because the right wing are already agitating calling for a GE.
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They can scream all they want for a GE, but will have to wait 5 years
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
No where near as much as tax avoidance costs the taxpayer’s
HMRC estimated £5.5 billion lost due to tax evasion in 2022-23 – 81% from small businesses (up from 66% in 2019-20
HMRC estimates around £400 million in tax was lost in 2020/21 because of avoidance schemes, and a further £800 million was lost in other forms of avoidance behaviour, i.e underreporting income and writing off personal expenses.

Altogether, that’s a whopping £1.2 billion lost to tax evasion
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Anyone claiming what they shouldn't or not paying tax on parts of their income by underreporting need dealing with. All of it is lost money which should be spent on public services.

Its not right anyway you cut it, people who play by the rules have no benefit from doing so and have to pay more to compensate whilst those who deliberately try to cheat the system end up better off.

In relation to the figures, this is what full fact says. The article is fully referenced and links to the data sources published by the government.

"The Department for Work and Pensions estimates that in 2022/23 £6.5 billion was overpaid in benefits due to fraud, while HMRC estimates that, in the most recent financial year for which figures are available, approximately £1.4 billion less was collected in tax than theoretically should have been as a result of tax avoidance."

https://fullfact.org/online/benefit-fraud-tax-avoidance-losses/

Taking into account the figure for evasion that you quoted from the National Audit Office and the avoidance figure from the above it equals £6.9Bn which is not that far away from the figure of £6.5Bn due to fraud.

Noted that evasion is illegal, avoidance is legal but still impacts tax take.

No wonder we are up shit creek if this has been going on for years.
 
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kaz7 said:
I will fight my corner when they come to assess me again , i just got an updated pips award but they will be back for me sometime in the next two years if not sooner. In theory i should be one of those that they get to last

I sometimes think i am the only one they are checking on as they dont seem to be finding the cheats , what are they fucking doing with their time
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Took a 20 minute phone call to sort my wife's pip out.
 
This thread is a complete waste of time. Those who support Labour will defend everything they do, however counter-productive. Those who don’t will disagree, that is life. Main thing is, the country is in deep shit and not getting any better in the short to medium term, political parties don’t actually change anything, but they can influence the people who do. Sadly they are all more interested in being in power, without a clue how to make things better for their voters.
 
stonerblue said:
Took a 20 minute phone call to sort my wife's pip out.
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Having fibro seems to be a grey area in the minds of the dwp , they have been thinking i will get well at some point and that my arm will grow back as well, having had fibro for thirty odd years i think it is safe to say i am not recovering , this year my other pain condition has floored me , i am now a mess of chronic, acute and nerve pain . When they come for me again i will try the phone instead of the forms , this last one took literally a year to get the decision, it is exhausting dealing with them , i dont have the energy now , i wont be a burden on them much longer

Weed out the cheats and those who dont want to work and please do that rather than keep coming back to me
 
Bournemouth Blue said:
This thread is a complete waste of time. Those who support Labour will defend everything they do, however counter-productive. Those who don’t will disagree, that is life. Main thing is, the country is in deep shit and not getting any better in the short to medium term, political parties don’t actually change anything, but they can influence the people who do. Sadly they are all more interested in being in power, without a clue how to make things better for their voters.
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before Labour there was massive strikes in the NHS
before Labour there was nationwide strikes in the our transport system - trains.
before Labour we was squandering millions on a failed Rwandan scheme
before Labour we had a different looking workers rights bills that have now been amended
before Labour our net migration figure was 20% higher

That's just a fraction of the differences of what they have achieved so far. so the 'political parties don't change anything' is just not true.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
before Labour there was massive strikes in the NHS
before Labour there was nationwide strikes in the our transport system - trains.
before Labour we was squandering millions on a failed Rwandan scheme
before Labour we had a different looking workers rights bills that have now been amended
before Labour our net migration figure was 20% higher

That's just a fraction of the differences of what they have achieved so far. so the 'political parties don't change anything' is just not true.
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You forgot to mention that under this Government we have deported more failed asylum seekers / illegal immigrants (over 9000) in the last 14 weeks than the Tories achieved in the last 14 years.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Is that actually true ? like is there a source to confirm that.
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The number of deportations under Labour is true but it's not more than since 2010.

www.gbnews.com

Nearly 10,000 migrants deported since election as Starmer organises three BIGGEST return flights ever

More than 25 further bespoke returns flights have also taken place
www.gbnews.com www.gbnews.com


Maybe misunderstood from this report.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

Top Tory Ties Himself In Knots Trying To Criticise Labour Over Its High Rate Of Deportations

Chris Philp accused "cheeky" Labour of just doing the "easy returns" of illegal migrants.
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk www.huffingtonpost.co.uk
 
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