The Labour Government

Churchlawtonblue said:
You forgot this little fact.

And the incoming Labour Government said they were going to pay the compensation. Do you deny this ??
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It wasn't in the Labour manifesto, and prior to the election they very clearly refused to commit to compensation.

They'd already refused to commit to any compensation in interviews following the publication of the Ombudsman's report, and Reeves confirmed this at the election launch:

"...during a press conference before Labour released its manifesto Shadow Chancellor Rachel Reeves said: “There are lots of things that a Labour government might like to do, but the state of the public finances and the dire need of our public services means that we won’t be able to do everything that we might like to do.”

She went on to say: “We won’t put forward anything that is not fully costed and fully funded, and I haven’t set out any money for this [compensation for WASPI women].”
 
Kompany Car said:
To be honest this seems like an odd way of framing it. What O'Brien seems to be saying is the political parties and the public think all immigration is bad. That is frankly bollocks. Even the most right wing agree that some immigration where they have the skills to make the UK more successful is positive.

It appears to be back to conflating the 3 completely separate groups of Skilled Migrants, Asylum seekers and Unskilled Migrants. Which really isnt helpful for any meaningful debate.
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The immigration figures for the last few years show exactly what the Tories actually think. The performative stuff about a few thousand asylum seekers was nonsense, when they allowed net migration to rise by hundreds of thousands.
 
Bluemanc100 said:
And now totally irrelevant... The Tories got what was coming to them at the ballot box.. It's now up to Starmer and his mob to deal with this.. They say they're not paying if I understand the statements coming out of Whitehall correctly

A fucking poor show when they can magic up £50m at the drop of a hat for Syria... Would Syria give us £50m if the shoe was on the other foot... I know the likely answer
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the WASPI woman compo would cost £10 BILLION + and you are comparing that to £50m?
 
bluenova said:
It wasn't in the Labour manifesto, and prior to the election they very clearly refused to commit to compensation.

They'd already refused to commit to any compensation in interviews following the publication of the Ombudsman's report, and Reeves confirmed this at the election launch:

"...during a press conference before Labour released its manifesto Shadow Chancellor Rachel Reeves said: “There are lots of things that a Labour government might like to do, but the state of the public finances and the dire need of our public services means that we won’t be able to do everything that we might like to do.”

She went on to say: “We won’t put forward anything that is not fully costed and fully funded, and I haven’t set out any money for this [compensation for WASPI women].”
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Before the election, Starmer did talk about how the Tories could have made a decision but decided to kick it into the long grass. He did say that they’d put it to bed, which they have, but made no reference to actual compensation, just a decision being made.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
Same I’m missing the poverty angle. changes to the state retirement age brought out a riot and protest in France it made no difference the changes are still law.
In the UK we accept the change and retirement means young people will have to work 8 years longer.
The State Pension age for both men and women to age 66 between 2024 and 2026, age 67 between 2034 and 2036 and age 68 between 2044 and 2046
We have accepted the change of five years for women with little public protest and another three years for young people to work until they are 68yrs.
“Private pensions”
The angle for me is on health grounds, are women as healthy as men at 65yrs ? and again at 68yrs. plus the government doesn’t want to pay state pension, not everyone has a private retirement pot.
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Where is your evidence regarding the government not wanting to pay a pension?
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
Same I’m missing the poverty angle. changes to the state retirement age brought out a riot and protest in France it made no difference the changes are still law.
In the UK we accept the change and retirement means young people will have to work 8 years longer.
The State Pension age for both men and women to age 66 between 2024 and 2026, age 67 between 2034 and 2036 and age 68 between 2044 and 2046
We have accepted the change of five years for women with little public protest and another three years for young people to work until they are 68yrs.
“Private pensions”
The angle for me is on health grounds, are women as healthy as men at 65yrs ? and again at 68yrs. plus the government doesn’t want to pay state pension, not everyone has a private retirement pot.
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Maybe there wasn’t much protest because most people aren’t that bothered. My retirement age went from 65 to 67, most of my peers went tomeither 66, or 67. Not come across any of them that are that bothered.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
This is the world we live in now. Totally ridiculous.
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See my answer above it actually isn’t, I lost £1500 going on strike for their illegal actions, I’ve still not received all my pension over 2 years after finishing, some people have retired over 5 years ago and are owed over £50k in pension they’ve not been able to pay off mortgages etc, it’s a total clusterfuck, all caused by Tory bellends who have now disappeared into the ether not accountable, Penny fucking Mordaunt for one.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
The angle for me is on health grounds, are women as healthy as men at 65yrs ? and again at 68yrs.
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I'm not sure, but I'd assume that women are healthier than men on average. They certainly live longer, which means they cost more in retirement even before you take into account differences in retirement age. But then they get screwed over when they're actually working, so in theory, it evens out. They are less likely to have a private pension too.
 
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