The Labour Government

[denislawsbackheel]

Good for you, well done, I don't have your extensive knowledge of welfare benefits but you're being disingenuous if you don't accept some claimants can get Universal Payments paid direct to them and are responsible to pay Landlords which many didn't.

I'm not surprised your's an adviser in this field, you abuse a lot of posters on here who have a different opinion, you think you're a smart arse but I'm not buying it, bet you're a right barrel of laughs.

You don’t like having your ignorance of benefits exposed do you?
PIP isn’t even a means tested benefit, Richard Branson could claim it if he qualified. It has fuck all to do with rent.
It was never paid to landlords.
Try reading beyond the red tops deary cos at the moment your pig ignorance is embarrassing, you just look stupid.

 

[Vic]

So about 1 in 3 leave voters where Labour voters - or put another way about 15% of all Labour voters. 70% of leave voters did so due to concerns about immigration - that’s ~10% of all Labour voters are anti immigration. Thus my central premise that for you to say no Labour voters were present at the riots is not obviously a truism, certainly they will be in the minority.

It’s too easy (convenient even) to refer to anti immigration as racism when in fact it’s as likely to be xenophobia - it better fits the definition and better explains why people say “I’m not racist but…” when talking about immigration. The right is where you will find racists of that there is no dispute, but across both ends of the political spectrum you will find xenophobia and to pretend otherwise fails to understand the problem that needs to be addressed - and if you don’t understand, or fail to recognise, the problem you won’t fix it. Encouraging a conversation that focuses on positive undertones (and that’s not language of “smash the criminal gangs” or “stop the boats”) is the grown up approach, that is why Labour should tackle it IMHO. Having listened to a couple of the Tory leadership hopefuls I don’t have much hope they will change the toxic narrative on this topic.

No problem with the last paragraph, but the first paragraph makes some giant statistical leaps.

1. That Labour Leave voters were evenly represented in the 70% of Leave voters concerned about immigration. They could all be the 30% of Leave voters not concerned about immigration, and simply anti-EU as it's a capitalist institution.

2. My original comment was based on canvassing - anybody for whom immigration was a strong issue was not going to vote Labour, and of anyone going to vote Labour who had concerns about immigration some were quite likely to blame the Tories for creating the asylum backlog (and for the nasty rhetoric). From hundreds of contacts, only one seemed angry enough for me to think (now) that he might have gone rioting.

I'll go out on a limb and say anyone out on a riot against immigration is not likely to be a Labour voter, or if they are I'd rather not be asking for their vote.

Whereas the Tories have provided the rhetoric that we heard from the rioters.

 

[Vic]

Years before if you were on benefits the rent got paid direct to the landlords but then some right spark thought that was demeaning and people should be allowed the responsibility of receiving their benefits then paying to the landlord themselves, it was always going to happen many would go down the route of spending it elsewhere.

Interesting to see Tory likes for that. Did they not know it was a Tory "bright spark" idea?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Disgraceful that Labour stop offensive actions in our name but commit to defensive ones that look after others.

 

[Aphex]

Ouch..

 

[mexico1970]

Ouch..

**** only went out for a bag of chips and a garlic naan.

 

[paulchapo]

Ouch..

When did that happen?

 

[mexico1970]

When did that happen?

I remember posters posting Sunak being welcomed in was it Hyde or somewhere near, Starmer and Lammy sure got a welcome they didn't expect in that clip.

 

[threespires]

Ouch..

Isn't that from a few years ago when a bunch of anti-vaxers accosted him about amongst other things supposedly not prosecuting Saville, a discredited claim which Johnson had made the previous week? Not sure of the relevance of it now other than to remind us we used to have a PM who really didn't give a shit about the consequences of his lies.

 

[bluenova]

Isn't that from a few years ago when a bunch of anti-vaxers accosted him about amongst other things supposedly not prosecuting Saville, a discredited claim which Johnson had made the previous week?

Yes - Feb 2022

MPs blame Boris Johnson’s ‘poison’ after protesters mob Keir Starmer

Police rescue Labour leader from anti-vaxxers shouting ‘traitor’ and ‘Jimmy Savile’ days after PM’s smear of Starmer in parliament

www.theguardian.com