The Labour Government

[cheekybids]

Yes, almost like all the culture wars stuff is just a huge distraction from what he's actually going to do - make rich people richer.

Like a magicians prop ;)

My last trip back home to Manchester & I see how angry everyone is, their kids have degrees & can’t afford a home that their Grandad bought whilst working for the council on a single wage & raising a family.

I saw a hotel in town changed to a migrant hotel & everyone arguing & no one asking who benefits & there’s people getting rich at every stage, it’s fucking corruption & foreign policy to blame.

Councils have no money, roads were looking like Bali.

Follow the money because those looking after the nations interests are stealing from the kitty. They are like Arthur Fowler with the Christmas club money.

30% of UK households have less than £1k in savings. It’s sleepwalking back into Dickensian times.

40% of uk households don’t have retirement savings.

Over in Oz we are giving our assets away & it takes decades to see the problem. Someone in government signs a deal with a mining / oil giant worth billions but effectively they give the minerals away for fuck all for the benefit of high paid jobs & backhanders. If they were sold for a fair price the country would be the richest place on earth.

 

[cheekybids]

My simple thought around this that money is devalued as it’s not been backed by gold since 1971. Every time there has been a problem they’ve printed themselves out of trouble but the amount of debt built up is unsustainable.

How do you possibly pay off trillions of debt? How do individuals & corporations own more assets thannnations.

 

[Don Karleone]

Seems that anyone who disagrees with Far left Labour is classed as far right!I would be far happier if Andy was Labour leader/ PM. He generally speaks common sense! And I am definitely not a Labour Supporter! He also supports Everton ( after todays news he might be their manager?)

Is this "far-left Labour" in the room with us right now? This Government is closer to the Tories than any other in my life. Those of you on the right should be loving it.

 

[cheekybids]

Is this "far-left Labour" in the room with us right now? This Government is closer to the Tories than any other in my life. Those of you on the right should be loving it.

It’s why I laugh when it’s described as a democracy, the choices are near enough the same.

 

[Dubai Blue]

I don't either. But I'd bet both her and KS are.
Didn't KS go as far as saying he was more loyal to Davros, than the UK parliament..?
If true..therin lies the answer...

No, it's not true. He said he preferred the working environment of Davos to the tribal shouting shop of Westminster. That's nothing like saying he's more loyal to Davos than Westminster.

Last year, hundreds of mps resigned their post,the most ever in the history of British politics I believe. Do they all know something we don't

132 to be precise. Given that 80 of them were Tories, what they knew was that they were going to be out of a job anyway.

 

[Dubai Blue]

Makes me wonder what Gary Neville,starmers once vocal side kick ...has to say about all this.
Silent

The Tories going after Labour for the grooming gang stuff is one of the most surreal things I've ever seen in politics.

We've already had numerous inquiries that made loads of recommendations. The Tories ignored them all. Literally didn't implement a single one. That's where the anger should lie, but these are very strange days.

How many times did Badenoch raise these issues in parliament before Musk drove his latest bandwagon into town (you know, when her party was actually in power to do something about it)?

I'll tell you... not once. Never. She even served as Minister for Women and Equalities ffs. Yet still nothing. The Tories can get to absolute fuck when it comes to this particular scandal; they don't have a leg to stand on.

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

The Tories going after Labour for the grooming gang stuff is one of the most surreal things I've ever seen in politics.

We've already had numerous inquiries that made loads of recommendations. The Tories ignored them all. Literally didn't implement a single one. That's where the anger should lie, but these are very strange days.

How many times did Badenoch raise these issues in parliament before Musk drove his latest bandwagon into town (you know, when her party was actually in power to do something about it)?

I'll tell you... not once. Never. She even served as Minister for Women and Equalities ffs. Yet still nothing. The Tories can get to absolute fuck when it comes to this particular scandal; they don't have a leg to stand on.

If the opposition getting hold of someone else’s stick to beat the government with is the most surreal thing you’ve ever seen in politics, I can only assume you’re quite young!

 

[Kompany Car]

Robot Reeves is an ideologue when it comes to economics. She is indoctrinated in one school of economics and won't be brave enough to change it for fear of her own belief system being shattered.

Mind you I could say the same of many of us, Including myself are on this political forum.

The art of debate and reasoning is dying as we all go further and further into our own boxes.

But isnt that the job of her team ? To provide some balance and inject a level of realism to her economic aspirations.

Leadership in any area isn't about taking a dogmatic approach, its about having a vision, listening, taking information from multiple trusted sources and agreeing the best route forwards, which may mean adapting your approach to meet your desired goals.

It takes large companies years to change their structure and approach, an entire country will take even longer. As @metalblue said too many promises made and throwing money at solving problems early on have caused massive issues.

 

[Dubai Blue]

If the opposition getting hold of someone else’s stick to beat the government with is the most surreal thing you’ve ever seen in politics, I can only assume you’re quite young!

44. And, no, I don't think I've ever seen someone be so brazen about it. This literally wasn't on their radar till Musk started beating his drum. It's as though the last 14 years never happened.

You'll also note I said "one of the most surreal things" not "the most surreal thing."

 

[Bazzmand Show]

It's all just fucking depressing, I'm getting taxed out of my fucking eyeballs am on a good salary and yet still don't feel like im getting further. It's just fucked here currently.

 

[stonerblue]

Labour did not win the general election, they just didn't lose it and won it by default. It seems they have no idea of the repercussions that are going to happen as a result of the NI employers contribution and the knock on effect. It is going to cost the business I work for circa £1m next year, and where are we going to pass that price on to? The consumer...

What business?

 

[Kompany Car]

It's all just fucking depressing, I'm getting taxed out of my fucking eyeballs am on a good salary and yet still don't feel like im getting further. It's just fucked here currently.

Max out your pension mate, its one of the few options you have if you're PAYE and after that any other sensible salary sacrifice (shares, electric car, etc).

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Like a magicians prop ;)

My last trip back home to Manchester & I see how angry everyone is, their kids have degrees & can’t afford a home that their Grandad bought whilst working for the council on a single wage & raising a family.

I saw a hotel in town changed to a migrant hotel & everyone arguing & no one asking who benefits & there’s people getting rich at every stage, it’s fucking corruption & foreign policy to blame.

Councils have no money, roads were looking like Bali.

Follow the money because those looking after the nations interests are stealing from the kitty. They are like Arthur Fowler with the Christmas club money.

30% of UK households have less than £1k in savings. It’s sleepwalking back into Dickensian times.

40% of uk households don’t have retirement savings.

Over in Oz we are giving our assets away & it takes decades to see the problem. Someone in government signs a deal with a mining / oil giant worth billions but effectively they give the minerals away for fuck all for the benefit of high paid jobs & backhanders. If they were sold for a fair price the country would be the richest place on earth.

Very worrying times. And because of this young men are embracing the right in a way not seen since the 1920s. As you say, Dickensian in terms of wealth distribution, and I think we are sleepwalking into facism. Here and the US the electorate throw out one party, elect the other and nothing changes - opens the door to 'alternatives'

 

[Rory Bluelow]

It's all just fucking depressing, I'm getting taxed out of my fucking eyeballs am on a good salary and yet still don't feel like im getting further. It's just fucked here currently.

I’m an FOC and my three children feel exactly as you do ! If I was younger it would be hard not to consider fucking off somewhere.

 

[cheekybids]

Very worrying times. And because of this young men are embracing the right in a way not seen since the 1920s. As you say, Dickensian in terms of wealth distribution, and I think we are sleepwalking into facism. Here and the US the electorate throw out one party, elect the other and nothing changes - opens the door to 'alternatives'

I said to my mate whilst walking round Dunham Park, how long til these are sold off from the National Trust to billionaires & the upstairs downstairs returns & then the workhouse.

I listened to Trump talk about Canada, Panama & Greenland & thought they’ve literally thought we need to build a fucking empire.

 

[bluejon]

The Tories going after Labour for the grooming gang stuff is one of the most surreal things I've ever seen in politics.

We've already had numerous inquiries that made loads of recommendations. The Tories ignored them all. Literally didn't implement a single one. That's where the anger should lie, but these are very strange days.

How many times did Badenoch raise these issues in parliament before Musk drove his latest bandwagon into town (you know, when her party was actually in power to do something about it)?

I'll tell you... not once. Never. She even served as Minister for Women and Equalities ffs. Yet still nothing. The Tories can get to absolute fuck when it comes to this particular scandal; they don't have a leg to stand on.

But their plan is working. There will be shitloads of fucking morons who will now be blaming Starmer for everything that happened with the grooming gangs. Reality doesn't matter when you have enough morons.

 

[Rory Bluelow]

Very interesting that Andy Burnham has broken ranks on the public enquiry issue. Like all political parties, Labour is riven with factions and, as Johnson found out, there’s only so many jobs a PM can hand-out to secure loyalty. I can genuinely see both - first Reeves then Starmer - being ousted before the year is out. Whatever other merits they may have, it’s become clear to many they are both poor political operators.

 

[Dubai Blue]

Very interesting that Andy Burnham has broken ranks on the public enquiry issue. Like all political parties, Labour is riven with factions and, as Johnson found out, there’s only so many jobs a PM can hand-out to secure loyalty. I can genuinely see both - first Reeves then Starmer - being ousted before the year is out. Whatever other merits they may have, it’s become clear to many they are both poor political operators.

Interesting you mention Johnson, as his move to go against Cameron by supporting Brexit was the first thing that came into my mind when I saw what Burnham had done. He's always had his eyes on the leadership.

 

[blueinsa]

Very interesting that Andy Burnham has broken ranks on the public enquiry issue. Like all political parties, Labour is riven with factions and, as Johnson found out, there’s only so many jobs a PM can hand-out to secure loyalty. I can genuinely see both - first Reeves then Starmer - being ousted before the year is out. Whatever other merits they may have, it’s become clear to many they are both poor political operators.

It shouldn’t be a party political issue at all and should be about the basic human belief that’s these victims and their families deserve answers and the cunts responsible brought to justice.

I applaud Burnham.

 

[Dubai Blue]

It shouldn’t be a party political issue at all and should be about the basic human belief that’s these victims and their families deserve answers and the cunts responsible brought to justice.

I applaud Burnham.

I agree it shouldn't be a party political issue. But it's strange that the opposition are suddenly up in arms about it when they could have easily addressed this themselves at any point up to July 4th last year.

And an inquiry isn't about bringing the perpetrators to justice, it's about investigating what went wrong and making recommendations to ensure the same things aren't repeated. That's already happened, but the previous government decided to do nothing about it. This one is now trying to put those recommendations into place, with over 100 Conservative MPs voting to block it.

The whole thing is just utterly bizarre.