The Labour Government

[ganganvince]

Talking of which, how do you feel about Boris Johnson's two-tier system that saw him and his mates partying while 100,000 people actually died?

And what sort of jail sentence do you think the disgraced ex-PM should be looking at?

Was Boris a Labour PM then?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Talking of which, how do you feel about Boris Johnson's two-tier system that saw him and his mates partying while 100,000 people actually died?

And what sort of jail sentence do you think the disgraced ex-PM should be looking at?

I would have thrown the book at him personally? Why do you ask out of Interest?, do you think I am a johnson fan?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

What’s being an MP got to do with it?

Because I think people in positions of power get an easy ride sometimes.?

 

[mosssideblue]

Because I think people in positions of power get an easy ride sometimes.?

He’s pleaded guilty and will be sentenced, getting away with nothing

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

He’s pleaded guilty and will be sentenced, getting away with nothing

Would say that depends on the sentence?

 

[mosssideblue]

Would say that depends on the sentence?

Loss of job, police record

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Loss of job, police record

Will he lose his job if he gets a suspended sentence?

 

[mosssideblue]

Will he lose his job if he gets a suspended sentence?

Already booted out of party, and may face a by election

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Already booted out of party, and may face a by election

It's not Labour's fault he isn't automatically sacked as an MP it's the system that let's them keep their jobs and stand as independents.

 

[mosssideblue]

It's not Labour's fault he isn't automatically sacked as an MP it's the system that let's them keep their jobs and stand as independents.

Anyway, he hasn’t got away with it

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Will he lose his job if he gets a suspended sentence?

It would mean a recall petition. So 'maybe'.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

100 years?

 

[Hertzblue]

You may have missed my post in the Muskrat thread.

This derives from Oldham council's resolution to ask for a Public Inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation in the borough of Oldham.

This government said no, just as had the Tory government. The rest is sheer opportunism. Most people who know what they're talking about say the Telford inquiry is how a local inquiry should be run.

As former prosecutor Nazir Afzal says, "I've been dealing with this for 15 years, and people think they know more about it after 15 minutes googling".

Ten years ago but still relevant:

Nazir Afzal: ‘There is no religious basis for the abuse in Rotherham’

Nazir Afzal, the Crown Prosecution Service’s lead on child sexual abuse, tells Amelia Gentleman that it is about male power

www.theguardian.com

I had not seen this. As I write events have moved on this afternoon as you will know and Starmer has realised he will not be able to simply hold the fort on this one. Looks like window dressing to me but we will see. So as to your first point government said no - well now they say yes ( kind of)

We would probably disagree on who "people who know what they are talking about" are, that said given its limitations it does appear the Telford inquiry was a good example of its type. Cooper referenced it today in her statement as the model for the five more she will fund. However, I would refer you to the questions Sarah Champion asked Cooper in the House today, this type of enquiry does not have the power to compel anyone to give evidence . It simply isn't good enough. Sarah Champion as the MP for Rotherham is a person I would believe knows what she is talking about on these matters and she clearly believes this Telford style enquiry will not suffice. The victims deserve to see those who have let them down be held to account . This will only happen with a full Government led enquiry.

As for Mr Afzal, I think he does know what he is talking about but only chooses to tell us what he thinks we should hear. In regard to the article, I agree with him that race is not the issue, it is ethnicity. He has a point about night time economy workers but that cannot be an excuse. He says that this issue is nothing to do with religion, it is about Male power over women - yes, but what religion promotes male power over women like Islam ? I could go on.

Here is an article from an interview with him the year before yours where he met Muslim community leaders in Bradford, he explicitly references the over representation of Pakistani men in grooming gangs and criticises the community and its leaders for not doing more to prevent this ( as he does to a lesser degree in you article)

Muslim community must address issue of street grooming, says Nazir Afzal

Crown Prosecution Service’s lead on child sexual abuse urges community to report suspected cases of child sexual exploitation by Asian and Pakistani men and says ‘don’t walk by’

www.theguardian.com

As Afzal says this is a minority of the Muslim community and that is of course true but as he says if they want to be able to hold up their heads they must do much more to call this out.

I think this guy, Taj Hargey is much closer to the truth. He has his own agenda in regard to promoting his modernist , liberal interpretation of Islam but I believe he fully understands what is happening in Britains Mosques and the messages that certain Imam's deliver. He said this in 2013.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

So you reckon someone doing exactly the same as him with no criminal past would be sent down?

No they wouldn't but as an MP, just like a policeman or a civil servant etc due to your position there's an extra tariff to apply too.

Had he hit him once it wouldn't have been anywhere near as bad but, to continue and give him a few cracks when in the deck isn't a good look.

 

[stonerblue]

It gets quite incestuous in contract law. If you are providing a term service contract for local government then 99/100 then change in law will be negotiated as an employer risk. Under any form of NEC contract then X2 will allow this as a compensation event. The NI employer contribution increase has been ruled as a change in law so what happens is (in layman's terms):

- Contractors have term service agreements with local government (ranging from 4 years to 7+4 years)
- Local governments completely rely upon the funding they receive from central government, which tends to be the basis of labour/conservative and brexit/non-brexit
- Inflationary mechanisms are built into the contract (often variable in effect and also with variable lag of when it takes effect)
- All of the above gets passed back on to the consumer through the tax we pay. So in this case through an NI employer contribution increase, we are increasing a circular debt that we will not start to feel the effect of until 3-4 years time.)

I'm not really sure what any of that means )

Retail giant Next made 1 BILLION in profit last year and the ceo is today moaning and telling us the lowest paid and first job will lose out because Next has to pay an extra 70m in NI.

 

[Vic]

I had not seen this. As I write events have moved on this afternoon as you will know and Starmer has realised he will not be able to simply hold the fort on this one. Looks like window dressing to me but we will see. So as to your first point government said no - well now they say yes ( kind of)

We would probably disagree on who "people who know what they are talking about" are, that said given its limitations it does appear the Telford inquiry was a good example of its type. Cooper referenced it today in her statement as the model for the five more she will fund. However, I would refer you to the questions Sarah Champion asked Cooper in the House today, this type of enquiry does not have the power to compel anyone to give evidence . It simply isn't good enough. Sarah Champion as the MP for Rotherham is a person I would believe knows what she is talking about on these matters and she clearly believes this Telford style enquiry will not suffice. The victims deserve to see those who have let them down be held to account . This will only happen with a full Government led enquiry.

As for Mr Afzal, I think he does know what he is talking about but only chooses to tell us what he thinks we should hear. In regard to the article, I agree with him that race is not the issue, it is ethnicity. He has a point about night time economy workers but that cannot be an excuse. He says that this issue is nothing to do with religion, it is about Male power over women - yes, but what religion promotes male power over women like Islam ? I could go on.

Here is an article from an interview with him the year before yours where he met Muslim community leaders in Bradford, he explicitly references the over representation of Pakistani men in grooming gangs and criticises the community and its leaders for not doing more to prevent this ( as he does to a lesser degree in you article)

Muslim community must address issue of street grooming, says Nazir Afzal

Crown Prosecution Service’s lead on child sexual abuse urges community to report suspected cases of child sexual exploitation by Asian and Pakistani men and says ‘don’t walk by’

www.theguardian.com

As Afzal says this is a minority of the Muslim community and that is of course true but as he says if they want to be able to hold up their heads they must do much more to call this out.

I think this guy, Taj Hargey is much closer to the truth. He has his own agenda in regard to promoting his modernist , liberal interpretation of Islam but I believe he fully understands what is happening in Britains Mosques and the messages that certain Imam's deliver. He said this in 2013.
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People who know what they're talking about have different views - including on what victims / survivors say what they want.

The media give us the survivors who want a public inquiry, but Nazir Afzal says he deals with girls who were victims of gangs who are now young women who have rebuilt their lives and don't want the public attention.

 

[Palerider]

Retail giant Next made 1 BILLION in profit last year and the ceo is today moaning and telling us the lowest paid and first job will lose out because Next has to pay an extra 70m in NI.

People moan when asked to pay more shocker.

 

[Palerider]

People who know what they're talking about have different views - including on what victims / survivors say what they want.

The media give us the survivors who want a public inquiry, but Nazir Afzal says he deals with girls who were victims of gangs who are now young women who have rebuilt their lives and don't want the public attention.

Understandable stance from some victims but others want justice and a system that, especially, protects the vulnerable and the weak.

 

[hampshireblue]

I'm not really sure what any of that means )

Retail giant Next made 1 BILLION in profit last year and the ceo is today moaning and telling us the lowest paid and first job will lose out because Next has to pay an extra 70m in NI.

JD Sports made £950m profit. Profit margin is 48%. They're also moaning about NI increase. It seems people always have enough money for new trainers!!

 

[Hertzblue]

People who know what they're talking about have different views - including on what victims / survivors say what they want.

The media give us the survivors who want a public inquiry, but Nazir Afzal says he deals with girls who were victims of gangs who are now young women who have rebuilt their lives and don't want the public attention.

Of course, any victim who wishes to move on should be allowed to. However the majority of the public and I think we will find a lot of the victims want this to be properly investigated and the people in authority who should have protected these girls but chose to look the other way be held to account so this cannot continue to happen.