The Labour Government

Rascal said:
That is a really mature and thoughtful post, one I identify with.

We live in a world of finite resources, there will come a time where economic growth is simply impossible to achieve, I despise that prick Musk but he knows as a species we need to use space to further exploit our universes resources.

Degrowth is a radical economic theory born in the 1970s. It broadly means shrinking rather than growing economies, to use less of the world's dwindling resources. Detractors of Degrowth say economic growth has given the world everything from cancer treatments to indoor plumbing BUT economic growth will come at the expense of the environment, is that sustainable or even affordable?

We do live in an era of epic income inequality, most big company CEO's will have earned more by the middle of January than there employees will in the whole year, how is that right? It is the workers as Marx correctly identified that create the wealth for the owners of capital, but they do not get the rewards due,

Capitalism though is in the hegemony, it owns the media and uses it to make sure people vote against their own interests and in the interests of the owners of capital.

The only way to change the world is smash capitalism, the worst political system of government we have ever seen, it has encouraged imperialism, militarism and armanism. It has killed millions of people in wars to acquire the resources it needs to flourish and sells its products to kill more people in order to expand its influence. It is a truly monstrous system that betrays humanity. The capitalist governments do not care about those with least, the unfortunate or those who have come across hard times, they seek to profit from human misery and that is truly despicable.

In the UK that inequality is palpable, a Health Economist who i have worked with told me about some work he was doing and he said, if you leave London Kings Cross station to travel to Newcastle, every time the train stops, life expectancy diminishes. How fucking mental is that. How is it in Manchester , there are new builds everywhere going up at an amazing rate but there are beggars on the street living in cardboard boxes. It makes no sense to me as capitalist societies need units of production (workers) yet they are happy to exclude large numbers of people from being a unit of production. I suppose why would a millionaire give a fuck about a person in a cardboard box.

Obviously I think Capitalism is an inherently flawed system, it does not promote equality, it does not promote humanity, it does not make sure those with least are well placed to live well. Its a system that promotes avarice, it exploits and it harms people. It does not make make countries better, it exploits those countries resources and its people for financial gain for the owners of capital.

We don't need more capitalism, we need less, we don't need the Neo-liberal cranks and libertarians running our countries, we need people who care and will fight social injustice, who will tackle inequality and make sure every human being has a proper chance to live a decent and fulfilling life.
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I'm no economist but the seemingly insatiable drive for 'growth' just baffles me. Where does it end?
 
stonerblue said:
Not really surprising after 5 months of front page scaremongering by the media
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...... and him doom mongering, talking the country down and getting his excuses for failure in ahead of the game.

The press are only reporting what he's telling us plebs.

I hear there was a chap over the pond that won the US election rather comfortably that is talking his country up, and is doing what he said he would do.... I cannot understand why people are shocked by his actions, they're what he pledged.

I guess we don't like honesty when it means people are doing things we don't like even though it is what was said would be done..
 
BigJoe#1 said:
...... and him doom mongering, talking the country down and getting hid excuses for failure in ahead of the game.

The press are only reporting what he's telling us plebs.

I hear there was a chapover the pond that won the US election rather comfortably that is talking his country up, and is doing what he said he would do//// I cannot understand why people are shocked by his actions, they're what he pledged.

I guess we don't like honesty when it means proplr are doing things we don't like even though it is what was said would be done..
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If only we were the size of the EU like the US is.

We put tariffs on anyone and they would just start laughing.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
If only we were the size of the EU like the US is.

We put tariffs on anyone and they would just start laughing.
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why would we?why should we?

Maybe we shouldn't have cut the winter fuel payments, or added to the national debt by giving train drivers such generous pay rises, or increasing employers NI contributions as none of these were included in the "fully costed" manifesto.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
why would we?why should we?

Maybe we shouldn't have cut the winter fuel payments, or added to the national debt by giving train drivers such generous pay rises, or increasing employers NI contributions as none of these were included in the "fully costed" manifesto.
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Maybe so, but installing a PM like Trump here would destroy us and what is left of our reputation.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
why would we?why should we?

Maybe we shouldn't have cut the winter fuel payments, or added to the national debt by giving train drivers such generous pay rises, or increasing employers NI contributions as none of these were included in the "fully costed" manifesto.
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Train drivers pay putting up the national debt?

Not: In 2024, the wealth of billionaires in the UK increased by £35 million ($44 million) per day, reaching a total of £182 billion ($231 billion). This was a three-fold increase from the previous year?
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Maybe so, but installing a PM like Trump here would destroy us and what is left of our reputation.
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Doesn't have to be qa Trump like PM.... just one that will do what he said he would do!

After all he [Trump] was voted in comfortably and is doing what he said he would do.

Starmer was voted in comfortably too... but then is doing things he never said he would do.

FFS increasing employer NI has resulted in job losses and will increase prices anyone could see that was going to happen.... and not a squeak about it in the manifesto.

I will be very surprised if this government lasts the full term majority or not..... we will have years of misery and many winters of discontent. The people and the Unions will not tolerate is.

Me? I'm looking forward to my fuel price rises, the raising of my water rates and the increases in community charges....
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Train drivers pay putting up the national debt?

Not: In 2024, the wealth of billionaires in the UK increased by £35 million ($44 million) per day, reaching a total of £182 billion ($231 billion). This was a three-fold increase from the previous year?
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errr... they inherited a £22bn black hole.... where is the money coming from to pay the train drivers?

I agree billionaires should be taxed at a much higher rate and I though a socialist Labour government would be the people to do it.... I thought wrong, all they have done is make life very much more difficult for the man in the street?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Doesn't have to be qa Trump like PM.... just one that will do what he said he would do!

After all he [Trump] was voted in comfortably and is doing what he said he would do.

Starmer was voted in comfortably too... but then is doing things he never said he would do.

FFS increasing employer NI has resulted in job losses and will increase prices anyone could see that was going to happen.... and not a squeak about it in the manifesto.

I will be very surprised if this government lasts the full term majority or not..... we will have years of misery and many winters of discontent. The people and the Unions will not tolerate is.

Me? I'm looking forward to my fuel price rises, the raising of my water rates and the increases in community charges....
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He hasn’t though. If he was PM here and you didn’t want him to be, you’d be banging on about egg prices etc.

You’ve got this government until 2029, however many petitions you get behind.
 
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