The Labour Government

jimharri said:
Serious question (not WUMming, honest!); what's the general mood over in Blighty now, compared to the last days of the Conservative government? Is there more of a "feel good factor" around, or was the economy in such a mess that it'll take years for said factor to manifest itself?
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No difference in all honesty, things are just as bad.

They will lose the next general election partly because they have pissed off pensioners, have no idea how to reduce household energy bills and also because they have not got a clue how to stem the illegal flow of immigrants.

They will muddle on to the next general election.
 
blueinsa said:
Cutting thousands of jobs is all part and parcel of the drive to get folk off the welfare state and into work because as they tell us, they’re the Labour Party.

This morning I listened to just that from the minister who then went on to tell us that he could save £45B from government by slashing jobs and introducing AI to replace them.
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I have a feeling that I'll end up living through the delightful era where AI takes my job, but I'll be retired before they decide we all get a universal basic income to make up for the lack of work.
 
Gray said:
No difference in all honesty, things are just as bad.

They will lose the next general election partly because they have pissed off pensioners, have no idea how to reduce household energy bills and also because they have not got a clue how to stem the illegal flow of immigrants.

They will muddle on to the next general election.
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Gentle reminder that we're 8 months into a five year Parliament.

At this point in the 2010-2015 Parliament, Ed Miliband was moving well ahead in the polls, and had just won a By-election where the Tory vote pretty much collapsed.
 
Gray said:
No difference in all honesty, things are just as bad.

They will lose the next general election partly because they have pissed off pensioners, have no idea how to reduce household energy bills and also because they have not got a clue how to stem the illegal flow of immigrants.

They will muddle on to the next general election.
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I'm happy with them losing, just not to the Tories.

So we're fucked:-)
 
bluenova said:
Gentle reminder that we're 8 months into a five year Parliament.

At this point in the 2010-2015 Parliament, Ed Miliband was moving well ahead in the polls, and had just won a By-election where the Tory vote pretty much collapsed.
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To be fair they have done a fair bit so far like putting the cash aside for the infected blood victims rather than just say things were going to happen with no cash - instigated the employment rights bill rolling back on some of the shit the Tories steam rollered through - started the renationalisation of the railways and made it so you can use the trains not face days of rolling strikes - sorted the doctors out and have delivered on the promise to get 2m more consultations quicker than promised for NHS England.

There will be more but in the face of a hostile media that is enthralled by Reform which is providing them with entertainment they are not being reported on. But there have been changes and there will be more.
 
bluenova said:
I believe that reducing waiting times is one of the main reasons they've done it.

They've been quite open over the past month that the extra layer was slowing down the changes they wanted to make.
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That seems reasonable. The issue I see is it gives the NHS a ready made excuse for not doing anything - turmoil in the exco ranks blah blah blah.

In fairness to Streeting he’s got a couple of years to work through it all before he will need to see tangible results.

Anyway decision has been made and only time will tell if it’s the right thing or not and at least he’s trying to change things which is preferable to doing the same thing and expecting different results.
 
jimharri said:
Serious question (not WUMming, honest!); what's the general mood over in Blighty now, compared to the last days of the Conservative government? Is there more of a "feel good factor" around, or was the economy in such a mess that it'll take years for said factor to manifest itself?
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Not one bit of difference. There are probably as many across society who are interested in politics who are as dismayed as they were previously with who’s in power and what they’re doing. Those not interested in politics are all getting on with life as they always do, oblivious to anything political going on, and their lives never seem any different no matter who’s in power or whether we’re in the EU or not or what’s going on in America or what’s going on in the Middle East… they don’t know and don’t care.

Many who’ve voted for Labour are in a situation of both regretting it but wondering who the fuck else could they have voted for.

For the vast majority of society, there isn’t a political party out there for us at all.

The Social Democratic Party may have been an option but too many who’ve moved to the right think everything on the left is a joke (I don’t blame them) plus they’re only a party for mainly the North West (with just a handful of other constituencies elsewhere) and those on the left would think some of their policies were racist just because they are a ‘reduce immigration’ party (https://sdp.org.uk/policies/immigration/) because it’s ingrained in many on the left that being anti-mass-immigration is racist… so they were never getting voted in.

I nearly voted for the SDP, but thought ‘what’s the point?’, so abstained.

As always, the largest political party are the Abstainers. They’re the party for the masses.
 
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Psychedelic Casual said:
Not one bit of difference. There are probably as many across society who are interested in politics who are as dismayed as they were previously with who’s in power and that they’re doing. Those not interested in politics are all getting on with life as they always do, oblivious to anything political going on, and their lives are never any different no matter who’s in power or whether we’re in the EU or not or what’s going on in America or what’s going on in the Middle East… they don’t know and don’t care.

Many who’ve voted for Labour are in a situation of both regretting it but wondering who the fuck else could they have voted for.

For the vast majority of society, there isn’t a political party out there for us at all.

The Social Democratic Party may have been an option but too many who’ve moved to the right think everything on the left is a joke (I don’t blame them) plus they’re only a party for mainly the North West (with just a handful of other constituencies elsewhere) and those on the left would think some of their policies were racist just because they are a ‘reduce immigration’ party… so they were never getting voted in.
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Get Farage in. He'd channel his inner Trump and shake things up.

;-)
 
jimharri said:
Serious question (not WUMming, honest!); what's the general mood over in Blighty now, compared to the last days of the Conservative government? Is there more of a "feel good factor" around, or was the economy in such a mess that it'll take years for said factor to manifest itself?
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The economy was growing under the torries, albeit at a low rate. Early days under Labour, but we had no growth in the first quarter under their tenure, and then a pleasing 0.4% growth for Dec 24. January's figures are out tomorrow. Starmer is doing OK in my book, Although some of the promises are clearly a bit pie in the sky, like the house building targets which they will likely miss by a wide margin.
 
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bluenova said:
I believe that reducing waiting times is one of the main reasons they've done it.

They've been quite open over the past month that the extra layer was slowing down the changes they wanted to make.
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The wheels of change in the NHS turn at an alarmingly slow rate. Anything that removes the barriers to this is a good move. NHS England employs 14,400 people. A ridiculous number.
 
hilts said:
I think world and UK events have combined to produce a pretty depressing period. I don't think it's controversial to say though that things haven't been positive since 2008 -09 really. Some will have done okay, alot badly or just about treading water.

Not just speaking about money either. Tis an uncertain future.
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Personally I think 2010 to Covid was OK (looking back it was almost utopian by comparison to now). Post Covid is when the real shit show started and its just getting worse year after year.
 
With the removal of NHSE, what will happen to the foundation training of doctors, which is currently managed through a national recruitment process by NHSE and Workforce & Training? If this process becomes regionalised, wealthier areas may gain a monopoly on recruitment, while less affluent regions could struggle to attract both foundation trainees and specialist trainees. Additionally, incentives to work in areas of need will be abolished, further exacerbating disparities. This change does not appear to have been well thought through.
 
Snape said:
With the removal of NHSE, what will happen to the foundation training of doctors, which is currently managed through a national recruitment process by NHSE and Workforce & Training? If this process becomes regionalised, wealthier areas may gain a monopoly on recruitment, while less affluent regions could struggle to attract both foundation trainees and specialist trainees. Additionally, incentives to work in areas of need will be abolished, further exacerbating disparities. This change does not appear to have been well thought through.
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Streeting doesn't give a shit. He'll be looked after by the US healthcare firms that pay him.
 
I have never ever been as disgusted by a Labour government than i am now.

Starmer, Reeves, Streeting and Kendall are not Labour, they are de facto members of the liberal intelligensia who support neo liberalism.

The attacks on people with disabilities absolutely appals me.

I AM AT A LOSS WHY THE CUNTS ARE ATTACKING THOSE WITH LEAST.

FUCK OFF LABOUR, YOU HORRIBLE NASTY CUNTS.
 
Been brave.

Whether that will suit all, I’m not sure. I like a lot of their new policies, and good to see a government actually governing, making decisions on issues that we all hold dear.

What I do like is that they are owning it. Instead of outsourcing it. We can now see Ministers for what they do, and we can act accordingly.
 
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