The Labour Government

bluegray said:
We all know of someone whose getting PIP who probably doesn't deserve it, who's playing the system. However yesterday's announcement in the new criteria to care the care component will absolutely devastate disabled people like myself. I get enhanced for both care and mobility, I score lots of 3's in the care section but no 4's, meaning I stand to lose a minimum of £108 a week. My condition will steadily deteriorate as it's muscle wastage so I'm never getting better. How can they judge me to be disabled today but not say in 12 months.
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I think I read that those who's condition will only get worse will not have any cuts to present benefit and will not be reassessed
 
117 M34 said:
On Facebook earlier and one of the newspapers had something on about PIP.
Someone had commented that they get pip as they struggle to work because of a physical disability.
Their (recent) profile picture was them at the top of a mountain.

Absolutely no way that over 8% of the working age population should be getting a financial benefit due to a disability.
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Maybe claims agrophobia, unable to cope in a working environment and being on top of a mountain is therapy
 
Something had to be done to put a stop on all the free loaders now claiming welfare rather than working. It just doesn't make sense that with the population getting healthier and living longer, less people are fit to work.

We have a certain percentage of lazy people in this country that want to do nothing and get others to pay for it. It's the same percentage that always have a bad neck injury when they have a car crash. I recall a top insurance person saying the UK has the weakest necks in Europe.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Something had to be done to put a stop on all the free loaders now claiming welfare rather than working. It just doesn't make sense that with the population getting healthier and living longer, less people are fit to work.

We have a certain percentage of lazy people in this country that want to do nothing and get others to pay for it. It's the same percentage that always have a bad neck injury when they have a car crash. I recall a top insurance person saying the UK has the weakest necks in Europe.
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When you say all the free loaders ,how many are there, what percentage of claimants and whats the actual cost of this fraud. For comparison what is the cost of tax fraud in this country?
When you have a benefit system to help those that deserve and need help, then you have to accept some will abuse that system and there will be a cost ,we should try and limit that abuse and catch the cheats but not at the expense of those that need it and are entitled to it.
 
blueparrot said:
When you say all the free loaders ,how many are there, what percentage of claimants and whats the actual cost of this fraud. For comparison what is the cost of tax fraud in this country?
When you have a benefit system to help those that deserve and need help, then you have to accept some will abuse that system and there will be a cost ,we should try and limit that abuse and catch the cheats but not at the expense of those that need it and are entitled to it.
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No you are 100% wrong, you don't have to accept some abuse just the same as you don't have to accept tax avoidance. That's a receipe for incompetence and is just lazy.

The benefits disability welfare bill has gone through the roof the last 10 years. These scroungers take money away from people who are deserving.

As to how many are scrounging , I would say at a guess its roughly the same as the increase in people claiming over that time, probably a bit less tbh.

Weeding these people out of the system is going to be hard but it needs to be done.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
No you are 100% wrong, you don't have to accept some abuse just the same as you don't have to accept tax avoidance. That's a receipe for incompetence and is just lazy.

The benefits disability welfare bill has gone through the roof the last 10 years. These scroungers take money away from people who are deserving.

As to how many are scrounging , I would say at a guess its roughly the same as the increase in people claiming over that time, probably a bit less tbh.

Weeding these people out of the system is going to be hard but it needs to be done.
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So you want a perfect system where everyone that deserves it gets it 100% , and 100% of fraudsters are stopped from abusing it and caught. Dream on, we should do the best we can but yes we need to accept nothing is perfect and we should err on the side of those that need.
 
blueparrot said:
So you want a perfect system where everyone that deserves it gets it 100% , and 100% of fraudsters are stopped from abusing it and caught. Dream on, we should do the best we can but yes we need to accept nothing is perfect and we should err on the side of those that need.
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If you’ve not seen disabled peoples’ struggles with filling in forms and going through the interviews, then it’s easier to think making it harder to claim is the obvious solution to weed out the freeloaders.

In reality, it weeds out the disabled far more than the freeloaders. I worked on ESA for years back in the day.
 
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blueparrot said:
So you want a perfect system where everyone that deserves it gets it 100% , and 100% of fraudsters are stopped from abusing it and caught. Dream on, we should do the best we can but yes we need to accept nothing is perfect and we should err on the side of those that need.
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Didn't say that did I. Stop putting words into people mouths. You sound like you can't be arsed to stop any fraud anywhere.

People like you are part of the problem with this country.
 
blueparrot said:
Yes you did.
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Whatever pal, you just carry on making excuses for the freeloaders.

I will add, I would also crack down on the richest companies that pay no tax in the UK. They are easy to get at, but successive governments avoid doing this because of the influence that they exert.
 
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Churchlawtonblue said:
Whatever pal, you just carry on making excuses for the freeloaders.
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Would you make excuses freeloaders who made £94 million in profit from our tax payers money? The same people that turn around and plead poverty when unions put a business case to them to expand their business but they don't want to invest £500,000 and would rather let their staff and customers suffer by offering a piss poor alternative the Government have been conned into giving them another 5 million for?

They have asked for that money back and the company "cant afford to repay it because...*insert corporate bullshit here*"
 
On UC You can be entitled to over £400/month for Limited Capability for Work Related Activity premiums and be working full time. Egregious. The system is gaming itself. There is plenty wrong with PIP, but the system errors and fraud levels in UC are off the scale
 
The Northern Baptist said:
You don’t believe these figures and that this situation can exist?

Deal with the issue at hand, that is generations of the same family being too ill to work. We need to find the root cause and help these people.
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I am far more concerned you can find out a persons personal health data.

In Manchester we have one of the most secure data environments in the world regarding peoples personal health records and you are telling me you can access peoples health records?

That is very disturbing and quite probably fraudulent. Who do you work for as i want to report you for stealing personal information.
 
blueparrot said:
When you say all the free loaders ,how many are there, what percentage of claimants and whats the actual cost of this fraud. For comparison what is the cost of tax fraud in this country?
When you have a benefit system to help those that deserve and need help, then you have to accept some will abuse that system and there will be a cost ,we should try and limit that abuse and catch the cheats but not at the expense of those that need it and are entitled to it.
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Tax fraud and benefit fraud cost the treasury about the same I believe. Most tax fraud isn’t committed by the wealthy btw, it’s committed by cash in hand workers.
 
117 M34 said:
On Facebook earlier and one of the newspapers had something on about PIP.
Someone had commented that they get pip as they struggle to work because of a physical disability.
Their (recent) profile picture was them at the top of a mountain.

Absolutely no way that over 8% of the working age population should be getting a financial benefit due to a disability.
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It's people like that who ruin PIP for the genuine. I know two people similar, both had ruddy tons of reasonable adjustments at work, complaining couldn't walk/ bad bCk, the other with ' ME'. Both get an enhanced early pension to leave, both get full pip with the mobility cars and it absolutely incensed me when I see photos of them on socials up Machu Pichu, or hiking round Vietnam ( both have done it), or off to London at the slightest opportunity. Where does not being able to walk or have no energy come into those equations.

Meanwhile I know two people on the ASD spectrum, who although they work, struggle with basic things in daily life and are probably likely to have pip stopped. Both bought and paid for their own cars - not hard faced enough to buy a walking stick and pretend nor to be able to walk far = mobility car.

Infuriates me as there are people who really are getting all genuinely disabled folks a bad rep.
 
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