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blueinsa said:
Does the government set the prices retailers can sell at to the public?

Will these saving be passed on in full to us?

It’s yet another false claim until such a point we can actually see the difference in our pockets.
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I can see cocktail bars selling their margaritas cheaper off the back of this....

I do wonder how this decision will make me richer.
 
Hertzblue said:
As for your deportation number, it is true more have left however out of the much vaunted number of 24,000 only 6,339 have been forcibly removed , the rest have left themselves , probably due to Rachel Reeves’ budget - that’s one way of doing it - she is more effective than smashing the gangs.
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They give them a free ticket plus £3K on a pre paid card to leave. Cheaper than a forcibly removal.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
If you say so....
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He is right though. If you vote for a party, you are by definition supporting them and giving their leadership ammunition to claim, in thei case "they are the real opposition". I've yet to hear a genuinely coherent and achievable policy from Reform and it's grifter leadership. Maybe you can enlighten us.
 
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Brewster's millions said:
240,000 is a pretty impressive figure, I have to admit.

Is that right about deportations being higher than at anytime since 2010?

Impressive stuff.
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Hertzblue said:
Oh dear ……
That’s it , let’s turn on the condescending tone , fancy being concerned about immigration.. it’s all in hand ….
So as for the Telegraph , the header is cropped off or the file is too big .
Your implication is that the information is not bona Fide .
So come on , which of those numbers is incorrect ?
What information is not bona fide ?
Just answer factually please and keep the virtue signalling down to a minimum.
As for your deportation number, it is true more have left however out of the much vaunted number of 24,000 only 6,339 have been forcibly removed , the rest have left themselves , probably due to Rachel Reeves’ budget - that’s one way of doing it - she is more effective than smashing the gangs.
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Because when caught ... overstaying visa time, failed asylum applications or working illegally they are given the option ... face the courts or go .. many are choosing to go
 
hampshireblue said:
He is right though. If you vote for a party, you are by definition supporting them and giving their leadership ammunition to claim, in thei case "they are the real opposition". I've yet to hear a genuinely coherent and achievable policy from Reform and it's grifter leadership. Maybe you can enlighten us.
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Hypothetically.... if you lived in a constituency that was.... lets say Reform held and you were absolutely against everything they stood for and that their main opposition wasn't the Labour Party (they have no chance of winning the seat) but a party that you didn't particularly like or necessarily agree with 100% on all policy matters but they were the only chance of getting reform out of the seat.

How would you vote? would you vote for Labour which would be a totally wasted vote and in effect count for nothing, or would you vote for the main opposition who you don't fully agree with but do some things you can agree with, knowing that your voting for Labour would almost certainly keep Reform in the seat?

This is the problem with the first past the post system as opposed to proportional representation where everyone's vote counts.
 
TinFoilHat said:
I can see cocktail bars selling their margaritas cheaper off the back of this....

I do wonder how this decision will make me richer.
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The likelihood is it won’t.

We are being squeezed as are businesses and they will want to protect profit margins and recoup rising costs of employing people before passing on any sort of price reductions to customers.

I’ve spent my entire life watching everything get more expensive, not cheaper and that isn’t about to change.
 
blueinsa said:
The likelihood is it won’t.

We are being squeezed as are businesses and they will want to protect profit margins and recoup rising costs of employing people before passing on any sort of price reductions to customers.

I’ve spent my entire life watching everything get more expensive, not cheaper and that isn’t about to change.
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Certainly feels that way.

Economic slavery about to be rebranded to sound good.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Hypothetically.... if you lived in a constituency that was.... lets say Reform held and you were absolutely against everything they stood for and that their main opposition wasn't the Labour Party (they have no chance of winning the seat) but a party that you didn't particularly like or necessarily agree with 100% on all policy matters but they were the only chance of getting reform out of the seat.

How would you vote? would you vote for Labour which would be a totally wasted vote and in effect count for nothing, or would you vote for the main opposition who you don't fully agree with but do some things you can agree with, knowing that your voting for Labour would almost certainly keep Reform in the seat?

This is the problem with the first past the post system as opposed to proportional representation where everyone's vote counts.
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If I was in a safe seat with a Reform MP, I would move. Unfortunately it would suggest that I was "represented" by a Right wing grifter/liar/racist/populist-you pick.

In the case you suggest, I would probably tactically vote. But, I have personal boundaries that I won't cross. I have voted for all of the main parties over the years when I believe they are actually the ones with the best policies FOR THE COUNTRY at the time. There is now ay that Reform could ever satisfy that requirement in my mind.

But I do agree that the voting system is no longer fit for purpose.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
You clearly are incapable of comprehending conversation and debate. Yes. I voted for them and I would do again in the absence of any other party worthy of a vote. It is/was a protest vote. Prepare yourself for many millions of protest votes. But of course everyone that doesn't vote Labour are wrong aren't they.... ?
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Yes, using your protest vote for a bunch of racist fuckwits who’s only policy is ‘stopping the boats’
Why not use your protest vote to go Greens or Lib Dem’s ? Rather than a raving loony UKIP party ?
 
People can like it or lump it but contrast a govt striving and getting stuff done since the GE and the last Govt that spent 5 years in-fighting and getting fuck all done except it seems trying a bit of insider dealing on the bookies. You takes your choice and casts your vote but I would rather have a Govt minister on TV over a weekend explaining what they have done and want to do than a shadow minister who went on to wage culture wars on the LD's because .......... checks notes .......... a lot of them are vegans
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Great headline.

In the grand scheme of things, the number of people coming over in small boats is minute.

Still, creates a narrative.

Until people want to actually have an adult conversation about it, the headlines will continue as stopping the boats is impossible without a deal with France.
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Hi AHT
I thought you had given up on us all ?
Welcome back.

Seems neither of us have any faith in Starmer's ability to smash the gangs.

Though I don't agree that there will be any sort of satisfactory conversation with France, adult or otherwise.
The French view is I think most honestly expressed by the Mayor of Calais who has repeatedly told us that until we reduce the pull factor of the UK to migrants i.e benefits etc then they will continue to come. Once in Northern France it is simply not in the French interest to stop them as they don't want them either ( despite all the skills they have and all the economic benefits they bring with them - can you believe it) . So they will agree to take our money, stop a few boats with due fanfare and as has been witnessed many times, when they think no one is looking , wave them onward to our shores.
Admittedly, I am sure the French would be happy not to take our money and not have the problem of migrants massing in their port towns but that isn't going to happen whilst we continue to present the economic opportunities to migrants as we do, the French cannot and will not fix this for us, we must do it ourselves.

As for the number of people coming over in small boats being minute. It does appear small versus the total migration number and it does appear to be small if you only talk about the smaller number e.g the 6000 I see you mentioned in another post today . But that isn't the case...
Last year the number was 36,816 . That's a big number , and that not the end, they will be followed in some cases by family members . Imagine finding homes, jobs, education places, doctors, dentists for that many .
In 2023 it was 29,437.
In 2022 it was 45,774
Last 3 years 112,027 as a minimum to be housed . Housed at whose expense? who will bear the impact of that ? The poorest in our society that's who, those already living in temporary accommodation on never ending housing waiting lists. In London half of social housing is occupied by foreign born tenants and Starmer only now is realising that the cost of migration is borne by working people.
It is costing us over £4 Billion P.a just to keep this shitshow on the road at a time when when we are causing uproar cutting the welfare bill by £5 Billion and causing anxiety to the genuinely disabled, and a report by Save the Children yesterday estimates that our Foreign aid cuts will deprive some 55 million aid recipients of help versus 2019 and that will disproportionately impact women and children .There cannot be a moral case to put the exorbitant level of support for illegal , young male mainly economic migrants ahead of spending on our disabled population or helping women and children in the third world.
So no, it is not minute.

As for an adult conversation. The one that needs to be had is simply where will this end ? The majority of the electorate in Western Europe and North America are done with migration, their welfare provision is being tested to destruction, infrastructures crumbling, debt is becoming unmanageable, public accounts never balance, taxation is already at record levels, social cohesion is fraying. Yet the supply of migrants is unlimited, wars climate change etc will make sure of that and in greater numbers than we have yet seen.What will we do ? Just keep going ? Tell ourselves it is " impossible " without a deal with the French ?
We must have an adult conversation with ourselves , leave the ECHR and do what we need to do to halt the tide. It just isn't feasible to do anything else.
 
Hertzblue said:
Hi AHT
I thought you had given up on us all ?
Welcome back.

Seems neither of us have any faith in Starmer's ability to smash the gangs.

Though I don't agree that there will be any sort of satisfactory conversation with France, adult or otherwise.
The French view is I think most honestly expressed by the Mayor of Calais who has repeatedly told us that until we reduce the pull factor of the UK to migrants i.e benefits etc then they will continue to come. Once in Northern France it is simply not in the French interest to stop them as they don't want them either ( despite all the skills they have and all the economic benefits they bring with them - can you believe it) . So they will agree to take our money, stop a few boats with due fanfare and as has been witnessed many times, when they think no one is looking , wave them onward to our shores.
Admittedly, I am sure the French would be happy not to take our money and not have the problem of migrants massing in their port towns but that isn't going to happen whilst we continue to present the economic opportunities to migrants as we do, the French cannot and will not fix this for us, we must do it ourselves.

As for the number of people coming over in small boats being minute. It does appear small versus the total migration number and it does appear to be small if you only talk about the smaller number e.g the 6000 I see you mentioned in another post today . But that isn't the case...
Last year the number was 36,816 . That's a big number , and that not the end, they will be followed in some cases by family members . Imagine finding homes, jobs, education places, doctors, dentists for that many .
In 2023 it was 29,437.
In 2022 it was 45,774
Last 3 years 112,027 as a minimum to be housed . Housed at whose expense? who will bear the impact of that ? The poorest in our society that's who, those already living in temporary accommodation on never ending housing waiting lists. In London half of social housing is occupied by foreign born tenants and Starmer only now is realising that the cost of migration is borne by working people.
It is costing us over £4 Billion P.a just to keep this shitshow on the road at a time when when we are causing uproar cutting the welfare bill by £5 Billion and causing anxiety to the genuinely disabled, and a report by Save the Children yesterday estimates that our Foreign aid cuts will deprive some 55 million aid recipients of help versus 2019 and that will disproportionately impact women and children .There cannot be a moral case to put the exorbitant level of support for illegal , young male mainly economic migrants ahead of spending on our disabled population or helping women and children in the third world.
So no, it is not minute.

As for an adult conversation. The one that needs to be had is simply where will this end ? The majority of the electorate in Western Europe and North America are done with migration, their welfare provision is being tested to destruction, infrastructures crumbling, debt is becoming unmanageable, public accounts never balance, taxation is already at record levels, social cohesion is fraying. Yet the supply of migrants is unlimited, wars climate change etc will make sure of that and in greater numbers than we have yet seen.What will we do ? Just keep going ? Tell ourselves it is " impossible " without a deal with the French ?
We must have an adult conversation with ourselves , leave the ECHR and do what we need to do to halt the tide. It just isn't feasible to do anything else.
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I pretty much disagree with all of that.

It’s like a Reform party political broadcast,

If we go down that road then the country is utterly finished and add in other countries trying to do similar, people will be radicalised enough to start WW3.

I recognise that we’re in an era where debate is impossible, so have decided to withdraw from the debate. It’s not good for my mental wellbeing to continually converse with people that want the status quo to end, without a single thought or care about what they want to replace it with.

Whether were stupid enough to elect Reform or not, time will tell.

If we do. We’re in dire straits and I sincerely hope you all have enough money to cope.
 
Postman Pep said:
Hard Labour?



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Hard Labour rejects default progressive orthodoxies and the pieties of left-wing virtue-signalling.
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Wo wow wow......
" rejects default progressive orthodoxies and the pieties of left-wing virtue signalling." Count me in Kier !!

Close the thread now ..

Seriously some of you hand wringing bleeding hearts on here are gonna need a new home.
The great leader is looking to debase your currency.... virtue is just not going to be worth what it was.
Time to re-evaluate your lives I think! l
lol....

I might buy this if he profusely apologises for his previous career in public life.

On a properly serious note, thank you for posting that @Postman Pep, it was genuinely really interesting.
 
Hertzblue said:
Wo wow wow......
" rejects default progressive orthodoxies and the pieties of left-wing virtue signalling." Count me in Kier !!

Close the thread now ..

Seriously some of you hand wringing bleeding hearts on here are gonna need a new home.
The great leader is looking to debase your currency.... virtue is just not going to be worth what it was.
Time to re-evaluate your lives I think! l
lol....

I might buy this if he profusely apologises for his previous career in public life.

On a properly serious note, thank you for posting that @Postman Pep, it was genuinely really interesting.
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“Your currency”

Hmm.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
I pretty much disagree with all of that.

It’s like a Reform party political broadcast,

If we go down that road then the country is utterly finished and add in other countries trying to do similar, people will be radicalised enough to start WW3.

I recognise that we’re in an era where debate is impossible, so have decided to withdraw from the debate. It’s not good for my mental wellbeing to continually converse with people that want the status quo to end, without a single thought or care about what they want to replace it with.

Whether were stupid enough to elect Reform or not, time will tell.

If we do. We’re in dire straits and I sincerely hope you all have enough money to cope.
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Hi AHT
The status quo must end, if it does not then only bankruptcy awaits. I have been of the view that only this conclusion will be enough to shake us out of our complacency and I am not sure even now it can be averted.
As for WW3 that is more likely if we do nothing , if we face into our problems that can be averted.
It is therefore my view it those that support the current status quo that do not have a thought as to where this will lead us.
If you are concerned about your mental wellbeing then you are right it is better not to debate on here. I hope I haven't troubled you too much.
Take care of yourself.
 
Hertzblue said:
Hi AHT
The status quo must end, if it does not then only bankruptcy awaits. I have been of the view that only this conclusion will be enough to shake us out of our complacency and I am not sure even now it can be averted.
As for WW3 that is more likely if we do nothing , if we face into our problems that can be averted.
It is therefore my view it those that support the current status quo that do not have a thought as to where this will lead us.
If you are concerned about your mental wellbeing then you are right it is better not to debate on here. I hope I haven't troubled you too much.
Take care of yourself.
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Didn’t the ‘status quo’ end with Brexit, wasn’t that meant to bring us glorious sunny uplands, no more scary boat people and we’ll all prosper with hundreds of new schools and hospitals - how did that go ?

Haven’t America once again ended the status quo by voting for a deranged racist loon who will ‘Make America Great Again’ - how’s that going ?

You vote for charlatans like Farage and Trump then you get what you deserve.
 
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