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bugsyblue said:
This Labour government is pragmatic and realist. But the truth is the fishermen and the farmers have been dealt a horrible blow by this deal and the budget.

Saying that it’s vital we mend our relationship with the EU and form closer ties. There’s also a lot of good that will come out of this deal.

The truth is though we’ve ended up with a worse deal than we had by being in the EU… although every sane person knew this was the only realistic outcome.
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I heard that mentioned this morning, that we’re only 20% better of today than when we were in the EU. I couldn’t understand the rationale for that mindset as we’re 20% better off than we were yesterday, and now openly talking with the EU rather than the adversarial stance that we had previously.
 
Oldham Exile said:
Thankfully, there is not a chance of that happening in the lifetime of anyone that posts on here
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You’re right, but I’m not sure there’s any ‘thankfully’ in that.

There was a bloke on the radio this morning who stated that this is a disaster and when asked about what, he stated that he wanted our boarders closed and a return to mid-20th century numbers of 50 million people. When asked how we did that and what benefit it was he hadn’t a clue and just kept harping on about ‘It’s up to MPs, not me to decide’.

I know that there’s not enough talk on Brexit but his views really made me think that nobody had a real clue about the practicalities and consequences, as long as they were tucked up safely in their own little world.
 
bugsyblue said:
This Labour government is pragmatic and realist. But the truth is the fishermen and the farmers have been dealt a horrible blow by this deal and the budget.

Saying that it’s vital we mend our relationship with the EU and form closer ties. There’s also a lot of good that will come out of this deal.

The truth is though we’ve ended up with a worse deal than we had by being in the EU… although every sane person knew this was the only realistic outcome.
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Our fishing industry is decimated anyway and the vast majority of products that are fished by UK fisherman is sold into Europe, so the import/export checks relaxation helps
Same with farming produce

And surely by allowing free movement of labour, (not totally free, but you know what I'm saying) this will also help farmers who are desperate for workers
 
M18CTID said:
Yeah, but apart from that!

Anyway, I think it's a misconception that Brexit (and Remain) are wholly left-wing or wholly right-wing ideologies.
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Many will look on Brexit from a pragmatic pov, not ideological. We were all told one thing and they delivered something completely different.

People now see that it isn’t all this ‘£350 mil a week to the NHS’ or ‘Stop immigration (but increase it by the back door)’. Instead it’s hitting people in the pocket and rescinding certain little things that many were accustomed to.

They sold us a dud!
 
Manc in London said:
As a PPE graduate, your post neither reflects my neither my experience nor that of other PPE graduates I know. It's a challenging degree in relation to range of topics, skills required and sheer amount of work. I was doing more than double amount of work of most of my friends at the time who were studying economics, history, psychology, English and so on.

For reference, I chose to study PPE due to my interest in the subjects, the wide range of topics and the fact that it was long regarded as a challenging degree. I was from a council estate with no political ambitions. From those I know who studied PPE, just one had political ambition and she is currently an MP.

You are making the mistake of judging a lot pf people from a small sample.
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Fair criticism, it was a big generationalisation based on a small number of people from specific institutions.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
You’re right, but I’m not sure there’s any ‘thankfully’ in that.

There was a bloke on the radio this morning who stated that this is a disaster and when asked about what, he stated that he wanted our boarders closed and a return to mid-20th century numbers of 50 million people. When asked how we did that and what benefit it was he hadn’t a clue and just kept harping on about ‘It’s up to MPs, not me to decide’.

I know that there’s not enough talk on Brexit but his views really made me think that nobody had a real clue about the practicalities and consequences, as long as they were tucked up safely in their own little world.
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Yeah - there are lots of idiots that wanted out of the EU for ill-defined reasons as there are lots of idiots on the remain/rejoin side

Definitely 'thankfully' for me - and I am glad to see some things happening in the policies of government departments that are contrary to the conditions necessary for rejoining to happen
 
Morrisons chief Rami Baitiéh welcomed the agreement, saying that removing trade barriers with the EU "will remove cost, complexity and delay in food imports from the continent".

"This promises to ease a source of pressure on food prices and is therefore good news for shoppers," he added.

A statement from Asda struck a similar tone. The supermarket said it welcomes today's agreement, which it says has the potential "to significantly reduce costs and bureaucracy".

"We look forward to supporting the government as work begins to finalise the detail, and we hope that this will happen as soon as possible, to deliver the maximum possible benefits for our customers."
 
Oldham Exile said:
Yeah - there are lots of idiots that wanted out of the EU for ill-defined reasons as there are lots of idiots on the remain/rejoin side

Definitely 'thankfully' for me - and I am glad to see some things happening in the policies of government departments that are contrary to the conditions necessary for rejoining to happen
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After all the Farage and Johnson rhetoric, who’d have thought that it’d be a Labour government that brought a little bit of joy in this area.
 
City Hobgoblin said:
You'd think some people voted for Brexit just to piss some other people off, the perceived "lefties" or whatever ( the word 'woke' hadn't entered the popular social-division vernacular back then).
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It does somewhat remind me of how the MAGA movement works, with the likes of Dax rejoicing at pain the pain of others.

Strange concept to me, but I’m sure they have their reasons.
 
So if appears that Starmer has sold out our fishing industry to the EU. Another group added to a long list who have been betrayed by this incompetent government.
 
tweety said:
So if appears that Starmer has sold out our fishing industry to the EU. Another group added to a long list who have been betrayed by this incompetent government.
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It was Johnson that sold out the fishermen by putting up barriers to their main market, and the majority of them voted for it to happen. When we were in the EU, Farage was the UK’s representative on the fisheries committee. He attended just one out of 42 meetings so he did fuck all for fishermen either. If you want to look at who really betrayed that industry you don’t have to look further than those two.
 
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