The Labour Government

[Churchlawtonblue]

Under 16's dont get PIP.

They do these days. I heard it first hand from a senior teacher friend this weekend past. Perhaps it's the parents that get it as their children "qualify".

 

[ganganvince]

They get DLA under 16

 

[Vic]

@BigJoe#1 for starters.

He isn't a loser. He just likes looking for losers.

 

[Metal Biker]

Winter Fuel Payments cuts to be reversed

Oh now this is popcorn worthy, seeing Starmer supportrrs who argued the toss about it being a good thing now having to change their mind and argue that this is also the right decision.....

 

[blueinsa]

Winter Fuel Payments cuts to be reversed

Oh now this is popcorn worthy, seeing Starmer supportrrs who argued the toss about it being a good thing now having to change their mind and argue that this is also the right decision.....

Poor lambs will be dizzy with it all ;-)

 

[hilts]

Winter Fuel Payments cuts to be reversed

Oh now this is popcorn worthy, seeing Starmer supportrrs who argued the toss about it being a good thing now having to change their mind and argue that this is also the right decision.....

It shows their listening coming up.

Or

well that's politics

 

[BlueHammer85]

Winter Fuel Payments cuts to be reversed

Oh now this is popcorn worthy, seeing Starmer supportrrs who argued the toss about it being a good thing now having to change their mind and argue that this is also the right decision.....

any quotes on here that it was a good thing ?

 

[west didsblue]

The fishermen I suspect, they don't seem happy.

Nothing’s changed them except they’ve got a bigger market as far as I can make out.

 

[mancityvstoke]

any quotes on here that it was a good thing ?

You want people to trawl a thread for the people who thought it was great to remove WFA off pensioners and only those on pension credit to receive it?

Do me a favour and trawl it yourself. Loads were at it.

You're on here every few minutes arse licking Labour ....don't you do any work?

 

[BlueHammer85]

You want people to trawl a thread for the people who thought it was great to remove WFA off pensioners and only those on pension credit to receive it?

Do me a favour and trawl it yourself. Loads were at it.

You're on here every few minutes arse licking Labour ....don't you do any work?

I recall a few debating the reasoning for it perhaps, i don't recall anyone taking delight in it and thinking it was great as you describe.

 

[mancityvstoke]

I recall a few debating the reasoning for it perhaps, i don't recall anyone taking delight in it and thinking it was great as you describe.

you recall wrong. Heated arguments akimbo.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Winter Fuel Payments cuts to be reversed

which is how Badenoch is trying to spin it but thats not what Starmer said in PMQ's

 

[mancityvstoke]

Starmer is making a U turn but not reversing it completely.

He will make some tweaks so more people other than pension credit people receive it.

We shall see what he comes up with. People won't forget the scrooge like tactics though.

Interesting that Reeves was saying that wasn't happening at 9 am and the policy was staying.

 

[Metal Biker]

which is how Badenoch is trying to spin it but thats not what Starmer said in PMQ's

That's the very headline Sky News is running with.

Nothing about Tories or Badenoch.

 

[west didsblue]

Winter Fuel Payments cuts to be reversed

Oh now this is popcorn worthy, seeing Starmer supportrrs who argued the toss about it being a good thing now having to change their mind and argue that this is also the right decision.....

Obviously his detractors will pitch it as a U turn and his supporters will pitch it as an adjustment to the criteria which is what many of his supporters objected to the time even if they agreed with the policy in principle.

Either way it will probably be enough to make it a non-issue within a few weeks and certainly before the winter.

 

[Metal Biker]

Fish

Today's fish is trout a la creme, enjoy your meal.

 

[BlueHammer85]

you recall wrong. Heated arguments akimbo.

Fair enough, it's one i stayed out of - no delight in removing any policy like that even if it was to make economic sense.

 

[west didsblue]

This is what I said in December when someone said the WFP should be linked to Council Tax band.

I’m not defending the current system. I’ve already said it was implemented in a ham fisted manner. Linking it to CT band will lead to all sorts of anomalies. It needs to be linked to income with a line drawn in a different place than the current system. Makes much more sense than arbitrarily linking it to a measure that might be just a general indication of wealth and affordability rather than something that would be unarguable.

Good to see the government implementing what I suggested.

 

[bluethrunthru]

That's the very headline Sky News is running with.

Nothing about Tories or Badenoch.

what he said

"We want to ensure that, as we go forward, more pensioners are eligible for winter fuel payments" Thats could me altering the level at which you qualify and/or increasing the volumes of pensioners who enrol for Pension Credit thus increasing numbers. Details will come in the Autumn Statement.

what Badenoch said

Tory leader Kemi Badenoch called it a "desperate" move - asking how the British public or Labour MPs can "ever trust him again".

Why trust SKY?

 

[bluenova]

Obviously his detractors will pitch it as a U turn and his supporters will pitch it as an adjustment to the criteria which is what many of his supporters objected to the time even if they agreed with the policy in principle.

Either way it will probably be enough to make it a non-issue within a few weeks and certainly before the winter.

There was some polling last week suggesting that most voters would see them in a positive light for the U-Turn.

Politicians like to screech about stuff, but ultimately, most normal people would rather get the outcome that want.

I'm curious as to why they've let it out so early, then said the details will come in the Autumn budget. My first thought was that it just leaves them open to six months of being asked for the detail constantly. The only positive reason I can think of, is that the attacks may still come, but they'll be a lot blunter. The most positive spin would be that they think any attack on the WFA now results in a narratives of "listening" and an "improving economy". Given how the last ten months have played out, I doubt the positive spin will get through, but we'll see.