You're shitting me, right?
So you're actually in favour of clamping down on illegal migration?
It would probably be helpful all round if there was clear water between the (separate) discussion of legal or illegal immigrants/ immigration.yes absolutely, when the fuck have i ever been in favour of illegal migration ?!
I despise Farage and his merry band of followers for the rhetoric used against migrants and the dehumanization of it all but never would i be in favour of illegal migration or a open border policy.
Sadly it benefits some posters to conflate the two separate issues.It would probably be helpful all round if there was clear water between the (separate) discussion of legal or illegal immigrants/ immigration.
Sometimes it suits folk at both ends of the debate to blur the distinction.
Yes it does. Unless they live in Dover I doubt anyone would notice any difference if the dinghies stopped tomorrow.Sadly it benefits some posters to conflate the two separate issues.
Yep. When they were interviewing people in the street at the time of the Runcorn by election, it was bizarre how many were obsessed with stopping boats that wouldn’t arrive nearer than 200 miles from them.Yes it does. Unless they live in Dover I doubt anyone would notice any difference if the dinghies stopped tomorrow.
Lol. that is desperate blue but true nonetheless.still came 3rd though
Sure sureYou clearly are struggling. I replied to Username Required and your subsequent interventions. I have not needed to read any of your posts except those in this exchange. So no, I didn't reply to any post I hadn't read in full.
Mmm, I think in your initial post there is a tacit admission that no Western country wants these migrants and the cost is unaffordable ( glad you have got there)The French do nothing they don’t have to do.
They process the asylum claims from the people who wish to claim asylum there, as per international law.
The ones that don’t want to claim asylum there, they don’t stop them from leaving.
I’m not sure anyone is advocating the U.K. volunteering to process applications of asylum seekers that have not expressed any interest in staying here.
Why bother using the thread at all, or just why ignore everyone you dont like agree with?Speak for yourself. Most of them are pure cunts.
Who said that?Why bother using the thread at all, or just why ignore everyone you dont like agree with?
The illegal immigrants figures are a complete red herring. The demographic shift many of us see in our communities is due to legal immigration. Compared to that, the apparently large numbers arriving in dinghies are insignificant.
Sadly, no political party has the courage to admit that we desperately need immigration due to our ageing population, and that yes - it will include importing terrorists, criminals and all sorts of other issues.
We have to accept the downsides along with the benefits. I'm in the fortunate position that I can afford to live somewhere where the immigration issue is not problematic, but if you are not so lucky, then frankly you should have worked harder at school.
FFS Cheese, have a bit of empathy, I thought I was bad.We have to accept the downsides along with the benefits. I'm in the fortunate position that I can afford to live somewhere where the immigration issue is not problematic, but if you are not so lucky, then frankly you should have worked harder at school.
You thought incorrectly.Mmm, I think in your initial post there is a tacit admission that no Western country wants these migrants and the cost is unaffordable ( glad you have got there)
However when having to face into that about turn you have reverted to hand wringing.
I'm full of empathy for immigrants. From a selfish perspective I'm not going to have healthcare or my nappies changed in my final years by native workers.FFS Cheese, have a bit of empathy, I thought I was bad.
I suspect having to wank you off as part of their job will be a bigger deterrent to them coming in the first place than the Rwanda scheme ever was.I'm full of empathy for immigrants. From a selfish perspective I'm not going to have healthcare or my nappies changed in my final years by native workers.
Unless Elon comes up with a sex robot that can cook my meals and help me with the toilet (as well as wank me off) in my old age, immigration is the only answer.
Shhhh. That part is buried very deep in the small print.I suspect having to wank you off as part of their job will be a bigger deterrent to them coming in the first place than the Rwanda scheme ever was.
I would take no comfort from this data.Joe, is that last bit supposition on your part/rhetorical flourish or is it based on some data? I know there was a Policy Exchange survey about 10 years ago that suggested around 40% of UK Muslims favoured some aspects of Sharia but I dug into that survey and Policy Exchange itself and both struck me as untrustworthy and flawed. Since then the data that is available is very partial and quite confusing. Based on what I've read I would guess and it is a guess that about 10%-15% of UK Muslims would like to see significant elements of Sharia law implemented and that number goes up for some family related aspects like divorce and allowing polygamy. But in terms of actually replacing UK law with Sharia I would guess from what I've read that number is about 5% which is about a third to a half of a percentage point of the total population. Given I can find much bigger percentages of nutters presenting other bigger threats to our way of life across the broader population than that fraction of a percentage point, it doesn't keep me awake at night. In fairness this isn't something I've looked at recently so if that trend is changing I'm open to understanding the data.
Who said that?
I would take no comfort from this data.
Militant Islam does not need broad consent or a majority to impose its will as we have seen in Afghanistan twice, the rise of the Islamic state group etc .
A well connected Bangladeshi friend tells me there are real concerns that Bangladesh may fall to Islamists , the way he seemed to tell it was that the Islamist groups already had their hands on the levers of state and I looked it up and that didn't seem the case so I challenged him on it. He basically said that you wouldn't see it in the numbers, but under the surface in the mosques, madrassas, universities, police etc they were taking hold and that a fanatical , well organised minority could easily bring about change as the majority will remain passive and defer to their religious fervour.
It appears to me from conversations with my muslim friends that even for the more secular among them that Islam is a religion that is difficult for them to walk away from and for sure for the majority of them their first allegiance is to their religion, and the less pious are quick to concede their principles to those closer to pure Islam.
As a country we have demonstrated repeatedly that we able to integrate different cultures without major difficulty but Islam is a problem.
LolI suspect having to wank you off as part of their job will be a bigger deterrent to them coming in the first place than the Rwanda scheme ever was.
Please confirm that last line, Islam is a problem?I would take no comfort from this data.
Militant Islam does not need broad consent or a majority to impose its will as we have seen in Afghanistan twice, the rise of the Islamic state group etc .
A well connected Bangladeshi friend tells me there are real concerns that Bangladesh may fall to Islamists , the way he seemed to tell it was that the Islamist groups already had their hands on the levers of state and I looked it up and that didn't seem the case so I challenged him on it. He basically said that you wouldn't see it in the numbers, but under the surface in the mosques, madrassas, universities, police etc they were taking hold and that a fanatical , well organised minority could easily bring about change as the majority will remain passive and defer to their religious fervour.
It appears to me from conversations with my muslim friends that even for the more secular among them that Islam is a religion that is difficult for them to walk away from and for sure for the majority of them their first allegiance is to their religion, and the less pious are quick to concede their principles to those closer to pure Islam.
As a country we have demonstrated repeatedly that we able to integrate different cultures without major difficulty but Islam is a problem.