The Labour Party

[Postman Pep]

Not sure why you prefer to see the worst in people, but she's clearly strongly against the policy, and the Labour party have made it clear that they think it's immoral.

Got any links where they "make it clear'?

If you suspect that the Greens will turn over a 30,000 majority when Labour are 20pts ahead in the polls, then I'd get yourself to the bookies - you'll get good odds on that ;)

I am sorry ? You think that the Greens who's only MP is stepping down at the next GE because she thinks she can be more effective outside the HoC can overturn a 28k+ majority in Debbonaire's seat?

I said 'apparently the Greens are confident'. Nothing to do with what I think or I suspect. In fact I've thought about it that much I didn't know how big the majority was. Seems unlikely given the numbers.

 

[urban genie]

Maybe the penny will drop that it isn't just left wingers of any ilk or cobyn fans who this new leadership led by mandy in the background won't tollerate




What will be left after they purge anyone with. independant thought is a vassel set of MPs devoid of any sollutions, just slightly less tory and cuntish than the conservatives

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Maybe the penny will drop that it isn't just left wingers of any ilk or cobyn fans who this new leadership led by mandy in the background won't tollerate




What will be left after they purge anyone with. independent thought is a vassal set of MPs devoid of any solutions, just slightly less tory and cuntish than the conservatives

Will we get another government bereft of talent like this current shower?

 

[bluenova]

Got any links where they "make it clear'?


I said 'apparently the Greens are confident'. Nothing to do with what I think or I suspect. In fact I've thought about it that much I didn't know how big the majority was. Seems unlikely given the numbers.

Labour: It’s time government scrap immoral Rwanda plan

Labour says “it’s time the government scrap this immoral Rwanda plan” ahead of a court ruling which determined the government’s plans to deport asylum seekers to Rwanda was unlawful. According to the Shadow Leader of the House Thangam Debbonaire, the policy is “simply unworkable and unaffordable”. .

uk.finance.yahoo.com

This was on Thursday - If you want the quick version, skip to the end, where she says "It's time the Government scrapped this unworkable, unaffordable, and frankly immoral Rwanda plan".

That interview that was initially shared isn't great, but with an election in the next 18 months, you'll probably have to get used to it. All ministers will be no doubt be told not to answer questions that are "will you do x" - In this case, I think she'd have got away with saying they would stop them, but 99 times out of 100, the answer will be "here's what we've said we'll do" rather than letting the interviewer box them in.

ps. Agree on the Green stuff - you were right that they're likely confident - although I think that's because they only have about two target seats in the whole country, so they might as well be bullish somewhere. They've had a huge swing on council seats between the last two elections (2016 and 2021), but Thangam Debbonaire has upped her majority from 5k to 28k between 2015 and 2019, so there just doesn't seem to be anything like the momentum they'd need.

 

[urban genie]

Will we get another government bereft of talent like this current shower?

yes more likely, but with a fresh look because they are new

But you are not addressing the point made by Cruddas, but just my opinion on starmers cabinet of nothingness

Some here have used the weeding out of corbynistas trying to disrupt starmer as an arguement for why he has been expelling people over on his thread, and left wing thinking is unelectable so his the partys actions are justified, even thongh many have said the purge isn't just left wingers but a supression of any independant thought, the fact a centrist MP who was vocally critical of the left wing side during Corbyn has now voiced concerns may make people reaslise, labour is devouring itself and will not exist as the party it was or represent those it should

 

[Postman Pep]

Labour: It’s time government scrap immoral Rwanda plan

Labour says “it’s time the government scrap this immoral Rwanda plan” ahead of a court ruling which determined the government’s plans to deport asylum seekers to Rwanda was unlawful. According to the Shadow Leader of the House Thangam Debbonaire, the policy is “simply unworkable and unaffordable”. .

uk.finance.yahoo.com

This was on Thursday - If you want the quick version, skip to the end, where she says "It's time the Government scrapped this unworkable, unaffordable, and frankly immoral Rwanda plan".

That interview that was initially shared isn't great, but with an election in the next 18 months, you'll probably have to get used to it. All ministers will be no doubt be told not to answer questions that are "will you do x" - In this case, I think she'd have got away with saying they would stop them, but 99 times out of 100, the answer will be "here's what we've said we'll do" rather than letting the interviewer box them in.

Fair enough not seen enough of that. Remain unconvinced that Labour are above this kind of shit however. Blunkett was floating the idea of offshore processing centres 20 years ago so forgive my scepticism.

ps. Agree on the Green stuff - you were right that they're likely confident - although I think that's because they only have about two target seats in the whole country, so they might as well be bullish somewhere. They've had a huge swing on council seats between the last two elections (2016 and 2021), but Thangam Debbonaire has upped her majority from 5k to 28k between 2015 and 2019, so there just doesn't seem to be anything like the momentum they'd need.

Yeah 5k in 2015 to 37k in 2017! She must have done a lot of good work locally to personally increase her majority on such a scale. Obviously no other factors at play:)

 

[metalblue]

Nothing wrong with the notion of giving the teachers a bonus etc but I really can’t get my head around the logic of removing VAT breaks on private education.

Labour plan to give teachers £2,400 to stop them quitting

The party would also make it compulsory for new joiners to have a formal teaching qualification.

www.bbc.co.uk

An entirely non-aspirational policy - the proverbial socialist school race where one kid has a broken leg so we break everyone’s leg to make it “fair”. The argument is it gives kids a head start - so why don’t we aspire to make it easier to get in to (pay for it ahead of income tax to make it more accessible) or aspire to make state schools better if it’s such a benefit? Most parents who sent their kids to private school go without holidays etc to make it happen, just about afford it now - the ones who won’t care will just be able to pay up the next x years of education and beat the tax hike anyway.

I’m excited to see how they differentiate between private school fees and uni school fees. Both paid for education by the individual. Got court cases written all over this if they try and drawer a distinction between the two.

 

[bluenova]

Fair enough not seen enough of that. Remain unconvinced that Labour are above this kind of shit however. Blunkett was floating the idea of offshore processing centres 20 years ago so forgive my scepticism.

Yeah 5k in 2015 to 37k in 2017! She must have done a lot of good work locally to personally increase her majority on such a scale. Obviously no other factors at play:)

The Tory vote went down, which was impressive, given it went up nationally by over 2m to the highest in 20 years.

Her vote only dropped by 200 between 2017 and 2019, which is impressive too.

Assume that's what you're thinking? ;)

 

[bluenova]

Nothing wrong with the notion of giving the teachers a bonus etc but I really can’t get my head around the logic of removing VAT breaks on private education.

Labour plan to give teachers £2,400 to stop them quitting

The party would also make it compulsory for new joiners to have a formal teaching qualification.

www.bbc.co.uk

An entirely non-aspirational policy - the proverbial socialist school race where one kid has a broken leg so we break everyone’s leg to make it “fair”. The argument is it gives kids a head start - so why don’t we aspire to make it easier to get in to (pay for it ahead of income tax to make it more accessible) or aspire to make state schools better if it’s such a benefit? Most parents who sent their kids to private school go without holidays etc to make it happen, just about afford it now - the ones who won’t care will just be able to pay up the next x years of education and beat the tax hike anyway.

I’m excited to see how they differentiate between private school fees and uni school fees. Both paid for education by the individual. Got court cases written all over this if they try and drawer a distinction between the two.

It would cost an insane amount of money to get the same class sizes and facilities in state schools.

There's nothing at all aspirational about the majority of kids being excluded from a pathway to many of the best paid jobs in society. The link between private schools and top positions in the law etc., is truly shocking.

I'd go a step further, and limit access to the better university courses and publicly appointed positions, so that it more closely reflected the percentage of kids going to private schools.

Giving an intelligent kid, from a poorer background, the knowledge that they would be able to go to Oxford and become a High Court judge based on their ability, rather than their parents finances, is truly aspirational.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

It would cost an insane amount of money to get the same class sizes and facilities in state schools.

There's nothing at all aspirational about the majority of kids being excluded from a pathway to many of the best paid jobs in society. The link between private schools and top positions in the law etc., is truly shocking.

I'd go a step further, and limit access to the better university courses and publicly appointed positions, so that it more closely reflected the percentage of kids going to private schools.

Giving an intelligent kid, from a poorer background, the knowledge that they would be able to go to Oxford and become a High Court judge based on their ability, rather than their parents finances, is truly aspirational.

I had to read this three or four times.
I actually think I know what you mean, now, but it keeps reading like mock indignation of Mazzarelli Swiss Cheese proportions in the Brexit thread.