The Labour Party

[meltonblue]

Nothing wrong with the notion of giving the teachers a bonus etc but I really can’t get my head around the logic of removing VAT breaks on private education.

Labour plan to give teachers £2,400 to stop them quitting

The party would also make it compulsory for new joiners to have a formal teaching qualification.

www.bbc.co.uk

An entirely non-aspirational policy - the proverbial socialist school race where one kid has a broken leg so we break everyone’s leg to make it “fair”. The argument is it gives kids a head start - so why don’t we aspire to make it easier to get in to (pay for it ahead of income tax to make it more accessible) or aspire to make state schools better if it’s such a benefit? Most parents who sent their kids to private school go without holidays etc to make it happen, just about afford it now - the ones who won’t care will just be able to pay up the next x years of education and beat the tax hike anyway.

I’m excited to see how they differentiate between private school fees and uni school fees. Both paid for education by the individual. Got court cases written all over this if they try and drawer a distinction between the two.

Sam Freedman always writes well about this topic -

Why the Daily Mail’s defence of private schools doesn’t add up

Removing charitable status from private schools won’t lose Labour money – or voters.

www.newstatesman.com

 

[Deleted member 77198]

I agree education needs a rethink and it should be about making children be the best they can be, at whatever it is they’re doing.
On the Oxbridge makes it easier, state schools make up about 70% of Oxbridge entrants which, on the face of it, looks quite good. Then when you see that less than 6% of children go to private schools, it doesn’t look quite so good.
20 Prime Ministers went to Eton and 30 to Oxford whilst we’ve had SIX Labour Prime Ministers ever..

…and three of those went to Oxford.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

…and three of those went to Oxford.

Indeed. It’s no wonder they all like to pretend we live in a democracy!

 

[BrianW]

If I were Secretary of State for Education my first actions would be to:

1. Abolish the National Curriculum.
2. Abolish SATs.
3. Abolish Ofsted.

This would save money and would be part of a project to phase national politicians out of routine involvement in education since all they have done is fuck it up at every level.

 

[metalblue]

So you disagree with Birnalsingh that schools should be teaching knowledge to disadvantaged children and not learning skills....

(That should be a good fight within the Tory ranks.)

Fully disagree. Learning is a skill, it’s one thing our education system does very well

 

[metalblue]

If your old mate Nigel Farage hadn't gone to a public school, I doubt he'd ever have risen to be such a malignant influence on British public life.

Public schools take dog shit human beings (in this case a nazi sympathising teenager) and give them a life-long sense of entitlement so that even the wastrels, school bullies and dunces, have a chance of taking a large steaming dump on society.

Lawrence Fox is another notable ****.

Boris Johnson another.

Without public schools we might actually have leaders who don't have all the worst traits combined.

Bizarrely the business he was in (and where he made his money)… 99.9% of folk in that industry are from state schools - proper east end barrow boys.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Bizarrely the business he was in (and where he made his money)… 99.9% of folk in that industry are from state schools - proper east end barrow boys.

I'm confused, are you admitting that his school connections made up for his lack of talent or that he's a glorified conman?

I thought he was telling everyone he was impoverished ("the poorest person in politics")?

 

[Don Karleone]

 

[Postman Pep]

Labour seeking advice and then ignoring it because they don't like what it says. Where have we heard that before :)

 

[Damocles]

Is this code for racists?

Socially disenfranchised people are those who suffer structural racism or bigotry from the majority. So your LGBT, religious/ethnics groups such as Jews/Muslims, immigrants, etc. People who get labelled and that.