The Labour Party

[Vic]

Nothing wrong with the notion of giving the teachers a bonus etc but I really can’t get my head around the logic of removing VAT breaks on private education.

Labour plan to give teachers £2,400 to stop them quitting

The party would also make it compulsory for new joiners to have a formal teaching qualification.

www.bbc.co.uk

An entirely non-aspirational policy - the proverbial socialist school race where one kid has a broken leg so we break everyone’s leg to make it “fair”. The argument is it gives kids a head start - so why don’t we aspire to make it easier to get in to (pay for it ahead of income tax to make it more accessible) or aspire to make state schools better if it’s such a benefit? Most parents who sent their kids to private school go without holidetc to make it happen, just about afford it now - the ones who won’t care will just be able to pay up the next x years of education and beat the tax hike anyway.

I’m excited to see how they differentiate between private school fees and uni school fees. Both paid for education by the individual. Got court cases written all over this if they try and drawer a distinction between the two.

VAT? It's charitable status that's the issue, so that also means taking away the private schools' 80% business rates relief.

Maximum uni fees are set by the government. If VAT were payable they could just reduce the maximum by 16.66% then charge 20% VAT and it would cost the same. Case closed.

 

[Vic]

The graph that first made me an advocate for better state school funding was the one that showed educational ability at age 4 and what happened subsequently. Pupils with lower ability but from higher social class overtook in attainment the more able pupils from lower social class somewhere around age 8.

 

[metalblue]

VAT? It's charitable status that's the issue, so that also means taking away the private schools' 80% business rates relief.

Maximum uni fees are set by the government. If VAT were payable they could just reduce the maximum by 16.66% then charge 20% VAT and it would cost the same. Case closed.

As a Labour activist knocking on doors it’s good to see you across the detail of your only remaining socialist policy.

Let me help you out for your next door knock… You will charge VAT on fees, believed it will generate ~£2bn a year, and the exception on business rates will raise around another £110m.

You’re welcome

Case re-opened.

 

[threespires]

Contrast that with the portion of the class in state schools whose parents don't give a fuck, view education as cheap childcare and then blame teachers for their kids being little cunts.

I'm not a big fan of those folks either but they're probably not as dangerous to society as the parents who can't be arsed to look after their kids so use boarding schools as an expensive form of utterly dysfunctional childcare that then turns their kids not into little C's who might do a bit of twocing but into absolute massive C's who will cause carnage at a national level.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I'm not a big fan of those folks with but they're probably not as dangerous to society as the parents who can't be arsed to look after their kids so use boarding schools as an expensive form of utterly dysfunctional childcare that then turns their kids not into little C's who might do a bit of twocing but into absolute massive C's who will cause carnage at a national level.

Touché
Advantage threespires.

 

[threespires]

Touché
Advantage threespires.

Stop being a big stirrer!

 

[Damocles]

The party that protects the workers and the downtrodden hence the name "Labour"

They should just change their name to Purple Conservative Party. They offer nothing to the people that created them to protect their interests. The vast majority of Purple Tory MPs only care about themselves. Any member that says that to their face is expelled using false slurs against them.

Downtrodden is relative.

As the economics of the country and class system have moved, so has Labour. Downtrodden used to mean the factory, mine and other workers because that was a major part of our population. Now it means the socially disenfranchised, often educated and often financially secure workers.

Parties go where the votes are, they are not your friends.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

As a Labour activist knocking on doors it’s good to see you across the detail of your only remaining socialist policy.

Let me help you out for your next door knock… You will charge VAT on fees, believed it will generate ~£2bn a year, and the exception on business rates will raise around another £110m.

You’re welcome

Case re-opened.

If your old mate Nigel Farage hadn't gone to a public school, I doubt he'd ever have risen to be such a malignant influence on British public life.

Public schools take dog shit human beings (in this case a nazi sympathising teenager) and give them a life-long sense of entitlement so that even the wastrels, school bullies and dunces, have a chance of taking a large steaming dump on society.

Lawrence Fox is another notable ****.

Boris Johnson another.

Without public schools we might actually have leaders who don't have all the worst traits combined.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Downtrodden is relative.

As the economics of the country and class system have moved, so has Labour. Downtrodden used to mean the factory, mine and other workers because that was a major part of our population. Now it means the socially disenfranchised, often educated and often financially secure workers.

Parties go where the votes are, they are not your friends.

Is this code for racists?

 

[threespires]

All that notwithstanding, the biggest advantage private schooled children have is that they don’t have to follow the national curriculum, as all state schools do. Hence the focus on achievement in ALL areas, particularly in the areas that will set people up with a good chance of performing well in the world.

Not following the national curriculum also means you don't have to implement whatever imbecilic unproven idea the latest bunch of morons in charge of the DfE have decided to inflict on our kids under the guise of education policy.