The Liverpool Thread

[mcmanus]

I fucking hate Liverpool

 

[Bluemoon115]

Re: Question

The boycotting was down to the current owners at that time who tryed their best to destroy the club. Not attending the games was part of the boycott for many fans back then aswell.

Its not easy to dish out 40 odd quid for every single home game as alot of you will know but i do think we will sell out every home game this season.

@Mad Eyed Screamer We played west brom in late august last season and it was still under hodgson, i think you are probably talking about the bolton game which was still under hodgson and going on when we where fighting in the bottom half of the table under that clueless twat so yeah you cant really blame people for not paying 40 quid to watch pure shite

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

You Scousers are the perfect fucking parody of yourselves, do you know that?

The first time in fucking years when your club actually needed the fans to get behind the team, to become the twelfth man, and you all go AWOL. After what, 2-3 months of bad football? Try years of it, try fucking years of it, like most teams suffer, while having bile from United/Arsenal/Chelsea/your lot all year round. An then to brand this cowardly retreat as a "boycott"? Seriously?

 

[fbloke]

More on the money chase.

Ronald Devine is an owner of lending firm Mill Financial, which is staring at more than $70 million in losses as a result of an investment it made in the Liverpool Football Club. Devine has spent many months trying to figure out how to get the money back and avoid one of the biggest losses ever associated with an investment in a sports team.

Last year Mill Financial sued George Gillett Jr., claiming the Colorado financier personally owed the lender $117 million due to the Liverpool fiasco. Devine, however, has not been able to squeeze any money out of the financially troubled Gillett and has embarked on a new strategy: He is going after the Royal Bank of Scotland.

In September Mill Financial added the Royal Bank of Scotland to its complaint, claiming the bank breached a contract and secretly seized control of Liverpool FC, selling it for a lowball price that left Mill Financial with nothing.


“RBS knowingly took improper actions to protect its interests without providing Mill Financial and the other creditors with advance notice so that those creditors could seek to protect their interests,” Mill Financial said in its amended complaint, filed in Manhattan’s New York state court. “As a direct result of RBS’s breach, RBS has been paid in full on its [Liverpool Football Club]-related loans while Mill Financial has received nothing.”

Royal Bank of Scotland denied wrongdoing and recently suggested Mill Financial look to Gillett to recoup its losses. “Mill Financial’s ploy is a transparent effort to bring a deep pocket into the fray,” RBS said in legal papers filed last week that asked a New York state judge to dismiss the bank from the lawsuit.

It is becoming more and more clear that Devine and Mill Financial stand to be big losers in the Liverpool deal that went awry. Gillett and Thomas Hicks, a leveraged buyout artist from Texas, bought Liverpool FC, one of the world’s most iconic sports teams, in a 2007 deal that was financed mostly with debt. Within three years, however, the team was drowning in debt and sold to John Henry and the other owners of the Boston Red Sox. The sale was forced by Royal Bank of Scotland, which was owed $445 million, over the objections of Hicks and Gillett, who mounted an unsuccessful legal fight over the deal. Wells Fargo was also owed some money by the team.

Mill Financial, which is based in Springfield, Virginia, originally sued Gillett last year, saying he was personally liable, together with some business entities, under guarantees of loans that Gillett and his Booth Creek Management took out in connection with his ownership of Liverpool FC. Gillett denied the claim, but Mill Financial filed in New York state court a copy of an unlimited guarantee signed by Gillett in 2008.

Mill Financial, however, never moved for summary judgment and the case just languished till September, when Mill Financial got Gillett to stipulate he would let Mill bring RBS into the New York proceeding. It seems that Devine doesn’t think litigating only against Gillett can result in much of a recovery. Instead, Mill Financial is now claiming that RBS breached a contract by stifling Mill Financial’s attempt to purchase the team or refinance the loans itself.

RBS claims that Mill Financial’s loans were to Gillett Football LLC and were only guaranteed by Gillett. RBS says the only contract it had with Mill Financial was extremely limited in nature and allowed RBS to sell Liverpool to Henry’s New England Sports Ventures instead of to Mill Financial, which also tried to buy it. “Despite actively participating in the sale process for the Club, Mill Financial was out-maneuvered by other bidders,” RBS claims.

 

[Vienna_70]

Listening to talksport after the red dippers played Swansea.

I can't remember who the main presenter was, possibly Ian Danter, but the co-presenter was that Scouse numpty, Alvin Martin and the conversation went something like this:

Danter: "Liverpool at this stage of the season are onLy two points better off than they were last season under Roy Hodgson, so what's the difference?"

Martin: "Well, it's early in the season yet."

YCMIU!

 

[Unknown_Genius]

Re: Question

The boycotting was down to the current owners at that time who tryed their best to destroy the club. Not attending the games was part of the boycott for many fans back then aswell.

Its not easy to dish out 40 odd quid for every single home game as alot of you will know but i do think we will sell out every home game this season.

@Mad Eyed Screamer We played west brom in late august last season and it was still under hodgson, i think you are probably talking about the bolton game which was still under hodgson and going on when we where fighting in the bottom half of the table under that clueless twat so yeah you cant really blame people for not paying 40 quid to watch pure shite

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

You Scousers are the perfect fucking parody of yourselves, do you know that?

The first time in fucking years when your club actually needed the fans to get behind the team, to become the twelfth man, and you all go AWOL. After what, 2-3 months of bad football? Try years of it, try fucking years of it, like most teams suffer, while having bile from United/Arsenal/Chelsea/your lot all year round. An then to brand this cowardly retreat as a "boycott"? Seriously?

Not going to a match, because it might not be the worth the money, isn't really a boycott as such. Many City fans (including myself) didn't turn up during the 06-07 season, because of the dross under Pearce.

 

[Crouchinho]

When Spurs were at the bottom for a couple of months under Ramos the stadium was still full, same when Gross was in charge. Even when being in the shadows of the neighbours it was full

When City got relegated, been in the shadows of the neighbours too, it's been full.

Everton haven't had a pot to piss in for near 20 years yet they still get over 30k inside their horrible stadium.

Soon as Liverpool hit a rough patch under Hodgson they abandoned ship. They can blame the owners all they like, but they still bought the likes of Torres, Riera, Mascherano, Keane, Glen Johnson, Dossena, Aquilani, Aurelio, Meriles, Lucas, Babel, Benayoun, just that lot surely is over 100m

They seem happy blowing 75m on Downing, Henderson & Carroll though.

 

[moomba]

After 11 games last year, Liverpool only had 4 less points than they do today.

And Roy had fuck all to spend, and was working for an unstable club which was basically under administration at the time.

 

[bluemoondays]

Next year, if Liverpool get the CL (big if looking at top of the table) it'll be touch and go whether they will get into pot 2. If they don't get even Europa Cup next year they will definitely be pot 3 and may even be in pot 4.............

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Just reading a blog about NESV, the Liverpool owners and there are an awful lot of similarities to the Glazers. Although Liverpool FC publish accounts, as a UK company, NESV are registered in Delaware, where very little has to be disclosed. Therefore no one knows who the NESV directors are, how they are funded, how much debt thay have and what that debt (if any) is secured on.

Their owner sneered about the Etihad deal, asking "what were the losing bids?" yet a Boston-based company (where he is also based) offered them £25m for a kit manufacturing deal when their previous supplier had only offered something like half that. Pot,kettle, black?

I think they've gambled everything on getting back into the CL and it will be interesting to see what happens if they fail again this season. It really could all go tits up for them quite spectacularly.

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

Just reading a blog about NESV, the Liverpool owners and there are an awful lot of similarities to the Glazers. Although Liverpool FC publish accounts, as a UK company, NESV are registered in Delaware, where very little has to be disclosed. Therefore no one knows who the NESV directors are, how they are funded, how much debt thay have and what that debt (if any) is secured on.

Their owner sneered about the Etihad deal, asking "what were the losing bids?" yet a Boston-based company (where he is also based) offered them £25m for a kit manufacturing deal when their previous supplier had only offered something like half that. Pot,kettle, black?

I think they've gambled everything on getting back into the CL and it will be interesting to see what happens if they fail again this season. It really could all go tits up for them quite spectacularly.

I'm not sure it if it will 'all go tits up for them quite spectacularly' if they don't make the top four, but they might find themselves in a very frustrating situtation similar to ours a couple of years back but with a lot less money to spend. Competition for the top four is unreal. Will they break it this year? I doubt it. Will the players they've signed improve next year? Carroll and Henderson are young enough, adam and downing might have settled more by then but these players simply don't look good enough. It was only when we bought the likes of Silva and Yaya that we cracked the top four - players in another dimension to the liverpool ones I just mentioned. If they fail to reach the top four will they loosen the purse strings again and spend the money necessary to crack the top four, or have they spunked their big investment chance on these overpriced donkeys and never-will-be's?