The official EDS and academy thread 2012/13

[FantasyIreland]

Is it another coincidence that Ibrahim,while on loan,is now getting plenty of attention from our rivals?

 

[Nelly's Left Foot]

Razak is reasonably close... as in, 2 injuries away from possibly getting some meaningful game time... then again, Mancini would probably go and shift Milner to the middle then, so maybe 3 injuries away. ;)

I think most of the kids we sign have the fundamental talent to be high level players, our developmental system and poor choices of loans (look at what an actual good loan can do for a player - Guidetti/Feyenoord... just so rare) tend to ruin/hurt their potential. Boyata had an incredible amount of potential, it's amazing he has deteriorated to what he has become.

Players with the natural ability of Suarez and co., do you think they'd be failing at Ajax? They'd probably have 30+ first team appearances now and be on talkSPORT's "Here's what you need to know about Man United/City target Denis Suarez" features.

If we loan someone to Feyenoord next season let's hope it's someone better than Elabdellaoui because that is a great place for someone to develop if they can get in the team. Maybe Razak?

You say Razak is reasonably close (even if that is 3 injuries away) but is he really good enough? Is he a top 4 premiership player as I don't think he is.

I do agree the right loan deal is essential and there are a few that need it desperately.Suarez would be high on that list as otherwise he has to leave.He looks totally out of sorts and frustrated at the moment.

 

[woahmark]

Razak is reasonably close... as in, 2 injuries away from possibly getting some meaningful game time... then again, Mancini would probably go and shift Milner to the middle then, so maybe 3 injuries away. ;)

I think most of the kids we sign have the fundamental talent to be high level players, our developmental system and poor choices of loans (look at what an actual good loan can do for a player - Guidetti/Feyenoord... just so rare) tend to ruin/hurt their potential. Boyata had an incredible amount of potential, it's amazing he has deteriorated to what he has become.

Players with the natural ability of Suarez and co., do you think they'd be failing at Ajax? They'd probably have 30+ first team appearances now and be on talkSPORT's "Here's what you need to know about Man United/City target Denis Suarez" features.

If we loan someone to Feyenoord next season let's hope it's someone better than Elabdellaoui because that is a great place for someone to develop if they can get in the team. Maybe Razak?

I agree - people have written Suarez off already but we've all got to remember that the likes of Suarez, Razak and even Lopes would possibly getting first team action, even for top teams like Ajax. Same goes for Rekik.

Suarez and Razak should be loaned to a good league next season. I still think Razak and Suarez can make it, yet a lot of people have written them off already.<br /><br />-- Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:10 pm --<br /><br />

Razak is reasonably close... as in, 2 injuries away from possibly getting some meaningful game time... then again, Mancini would probably go and shift Milner to the middle then, so maybe 3 injuries away. ;)

I think most of the kids we sign have the fundamental talent to be high level players, our developmental system and poor choices of loans (look at what an actual good loan can do for a player - Guidetti/Feyenoord... just so rare) tend to ruin/hurt their potential. Boyata had an incredible amount of potential, it's amazing he has deteriorated to what he has become.

Players with the natural ability of Suarez and co., do you think they'd be failing at Ajax? They'd probably have 30+ first team appearances now and be on talkSPORT's "Here's what you need to know about Man United/City target Denis Suarez" features.

If we loan someone to Feyenoord next season let's hope it's someone better than Elabdellaoui because that is a great place for someone to develop if they can get in the team. Maybe Razak?

You say Razak is reasonably close (even if that is 3 injuries away) but is he really good enough? Is he a top 4 premiership player as I don't think he is.

I do agree the right loan deal is essential and there are a few that need it desperately.Suarez would be high on that list as otherwise he has to leave.He looks totally out of sorts and frustrated at the moment.

He's not top 4 quality because he's not actually game time - no way will he improve just from being around players, he'll need to be loaned out for six months at least, so he can play football regularly without having too much pressure.

 

[The Man With The Stick]

I keep goin back to the pre-season games on the OS and watchin Suarez. He looks so comfortable in the team and it's his passing and vision that are most impressive. Surely you can't just lose those qualities??? It has to be boredom or frustration creeping in?
Could the injury he sustained against Wolves also have effected him?

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

I keep goin back to the pre-season games on the OS and watchin Suarez. He looks so comfortable in the team and it's his passing and vision that are most impressive. Surely you can't just lose those qualities??? It has to be boredom or frustration creeping in?
Could the injury he sustained against Wolves also have effected him?

ofcourse he hasnt lost those qualities. he hasnt been given a chance at all, not one bit of game time really in the team. How is a player meant to develop when they arent given a chance.

He is clearly good enough, but we wont really know that until he is given a proper chance. If he was at any other club he would have played a load of games.

IM starting to feel like we are gonna become like chelsea, who have loads of talent youth wise but never play them.

 

[LoveCity]

You say Razak is reasonably close (even if that is 3 injuries away) but is he really good enough? Is he a top 4 premiership player as I don't think he is.

I think Razak has fantastic raw ability but we're doing nothing to develop that into anything. He neither goes out on proper loan moves (these 1-month emergency loans are awful) or gets game time for our first team or reserves... yet gets called up by an Ivory Coast national team rich in midfield options. And visibly we rate him too highly for the U21s yet not good enough to play regularly in the first team, leaving him in limbo where his football career consists of training.

Of course he is not a genuine top 4 player right now (the same could be said of a few of our first team squad members who actually do get games, though) but I think there is a way to blood in youth players (enabling them to develop more) without sacrificing quality too much, it just has to be handled intelligently - ie. playing them against weaker opposition. We were 3-0 up against Leeds at HT in the FA Cup yet there were no young players anywhere to be found, even on the bench. Would we have suffered if Razak had been given the second 45? Most top clubs find a way so I don't see why we can't. And if we can't we should have him out on loan somewhere useful.

I keep goin back to the pre-season games on the OS and watchin Suarez. He looks so comfortable in the team and it's his passing and vision that are most impressive. Surely you can't just lose those qualities??? It has to be boredom or frustration creeping in?
Could the injury he sustained against Wolves also have effected him?

Youthful petulance and frustration seem to have set in with Suarez. Is it a surprise, whether he's in poor form or not, because he is past the U21 league level and should have been out on loan by now. He'll look at his mate Suso who has managed 18 appearances for Liverpool this season and wonder "Why am I not playing somewhere?". If not City then somewhere... we can find clubs for some really mediocre youth prospects (even Elabdellaoui got a move to Feyenoord - he failed there but he got the chance at least) so there will be one out there for Suarez be it in Germany, Spain, Portugal, or Holland.

 

[Andouble]

I keep goin back to the pre-season games on the OS and watchin Suarez. He looks so comfortable in the team and it's his passing and vision that are most impressive. Surely you can't just lose those qualities??? It has to be boredom or frustration creeping in?
Could the injury he sustained against Wolves also have effected him?

Probably a combination of being too good/not bothered with reserve games in front of 23 spectators and not playing with good teammates.

 

[The Man With The Stick]

Youthful petulance and frustration seem to have set in with Suarez. Is it a surprise, whether he's in poor form or not, because he is past the U21 league level and should have been out on loan by now. He'll look at his mate Suso who has managed 18 appearances for Liverpool this season and wonder "Why am I not playing somewhere?". If not City then somewhere... we can find clubs for some really mediocre youth prospects (even Elabdellaoui got a move to Feyenoord - he failed there but he got the chance at least) so there will be one out there for Suarez be it in Germany, Spain, Portugal, or Holland.

I honestly thought he'd be playin the odd first team game this season... i presume he did too. I'm guessin that's why there was no loan in place? Shame... a season in the Dutch league would've been crackin for him.

 

[dadnlad]

I keep goin back to the pre-season games on the OS and watchin Suarez. He looks so comfortable in the team and it's his passing and vision that are most impressive. Surely you can't just lose those qualities??? It has to be boredom or frustration creeping in?
Could the injury he sustained against Wolves also have effected him?

ofcourse he hasnt lost those qualities. he hasnt been given a chance at all, not one bit of game time really in the team. How is a player meant to develop when they arent given a chance.

He is clearly good enough, but we wont really know that until he is given a proper chance. If he was at any other club he would have played a load of games.

IM starting to feel like we are gonna become like chelsea, who have loads of talent youth wise but never play them.

at this time or throughout the season we've never been in a position where we are able to bring these players on for the last 15/20 minutes like the rags do.

 

[ped]

any one remember villa at home?these two were underwhelming,not saying they havent got talent,but i was dissapointed,they did not grasp that chance,