The PGMOL Apologies Thread

hertsblue said:
I remember Clattenburg, after he retired, saying that he knowingly gave a wrong decision Uniteds way as he was scared of Roy Keane. He said he gave a corner when it was a goal kick but looking at his and other officials performances over the years i bet this was more widespread than just 1 corner.
Agree with what you say re refs leaving it to Var and too many officials have no backbone.
Its why they brought in these hew rules, so its easier for them to just wave a card like the Wolves manager received rather than look at why he was so upset
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If VAR had been in existence when Clutterbuck awarded that penalty to Spurs for the alleged Sterling hand ball (outside the box) would the decision have been overruled?
 
cheekybids said:
That’s actually Webbs response….

“If there's a decision you're not sure about, everyone would be impacted by the Old Trafford crowd and the fact it's Manchester United.”

Imagine saying that as the head of all the referees to ensure impartiality. It’s your fucking job not to be impacted by the team & ground.

He should be sacked on the spot for that comment alone.
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Fucking outrageous. Also bullshit because the VAR officials aren’t at Old Trafford.
 
Gray said:
If VAR had been in existence when Clutterbuck awarded that penalty to Spurs for the alleged Sterling hand ball (outside the box) would the decision have been overruled?
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They'd have said that VAR can't look into it because it was outside the area and let the penalty kick go ahead.
 
cheekybids said:
That’s actually Webbs response….

“If there's a decision you're not sure about, everyone would be impacted by the Old Trafford crowd and the fact it's Manchester United.”

Imagine saying that as the head of all the referees to ensure impartiality. It’s your fucking job not to be impacted by the team & ground.

He should be sacked on the spot for that comment alone.
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So.. if Bournemouth build a 80,000 seat stadium and somehow manage to fill it, decisions would go their way as the officials wouldn't want to upset the crowd?
 
Gazza said:
So.. if Bournemouth build a 80,000 seat stadium and somehow manage to fill it, decisions would go their way as the officials wouldn't want to upset the crowd?
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No he was very particular it wasn’t the noise or attendance it was because it’s Old Trafford & Manchester United.

I can’t actually believe he’s not been forced to clarify his point.
 
cheekybids said:
That’s actually Webbs response….

“If there's a decision you're not sure about, everyone would be impacted by the Old Trafford crowd and the fact it's Manchester United.”

Imagine saying that as the head of all the referees to ensure impartiality. It’s your fucking job not to be impacted by the team & ground.

He should be sacked on the spot for that comment alone.
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Paid up lacky. Fucking bent cunts. The rag atmosphere is shit. The intimidation comes from the suits behind closed doors. Hiding behind the crowd is pathetic.
 
yeah whatever !! said:
Perhaps they should do a review system like Cricket and Tennis,the captains have say 3 reviews per game.
If the captain thinks that the ref should go to the VAR screen (only circumstances that are are deemed worthy) then wouldn't this be a fair alternative?
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I think the reason there is not a review system is the disrupting the flow of the game. Those other sports are stop-start so reviews do little to break the play up. However a review system is needed, I would suggest 2 per team by the manager but only for free kicks and pens when there is a pause.
 
yeah whatever !! said:
Sorry I mean make the ref go to the screen and via microphone explain the decision taken and why.They certainly wouldn't have had a case to deny wolves a penalty on Monday if they had.

It really would be that simple.
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I think you are on to something interesting here. One of the issues with VAR is the officials are all mates who back each other up. So if one VAR mate sees one ref mate make a mistake he gets him out of the sh!t by asking him to video-review it, at that point the decision has already been decided to be overturned by the pair of them before the latter has even seen the video. That way the ref is also backing up his VAR mate.

However if a manager issues a video review the VAR official can keep out of it and the ref can look from another angle and review his decision with NO obligation to overturn it. No one is made to look incompetent and a fairer decision should result, the microphone would clarify it to everyone watching.
 
Mancity1980 said:
I think the reason there is not a review system is the disrupting the flow of the game. Those other sports are stop-start so reviews do little to break the play up. However a review system is needed, I would suggest 2 per team by the manager but only for free kicks and pens when there is a pause.
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Both Rugby codes are no more stop start than football is - but they take time to review incidents when they need to. And what I really like is that the onfield referee gets to watch it on the big screen along with the rest of us - and you hear them discussing it - explaining what they see and therefore what the appropriate punishment is (if any) and usually even though I don't always understand the rules you get to a point of saying "fair enough, I can see why you have come to the conclusion you have come to." When you look at some incidents in football - we are still scratching our heads trying to figure out how the referee's have seen something very different.
 
Mancity1980 said:
I think you are on to something interesting here. One of the issues with VAR is the officials are all mates who back each other up. So if one VAR mate sees one ref mate make a mistake he gets him out of the sh!t by asking him to video-review it, at that point the decision has already been decided to be overturned by the pair of them before the latter has even seen the video. That way the ref is also backing up his VAR mate.

However if a manager issues a video review the VAR official can keep out of it and the ref can look from another angle and review his decision with NO obligation to overturn it. No one is made to look incompetent and a fairer decision should result, the microphone would clarify it to everyone watching.
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Exactly bud, how many times have we seen decisions that should have gone to the pitch side screen not being taken up by the referee or the twats in the VAR office.
Football is about fair results not refs getting precious about their decision being questioned.
 
PPT said:
Its not incompetence. It is corruption and its organised.
Which is why no one will get the sack.
It's totally blatant. Just because its England, we
have this idea that corruption in football doesn't
take place. Just how many incidents and examples
do people need before they see it? The Premier
League is bent.
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Indeed, look at Serie A and the scandals that's had.
 
Mancity1980 said:
I think the reason there is not a review system is the disrupting the flow of the game. Those other sports are stop-start so reviews do little to break the play up. However a review system is needed, I would suggest 2 per team by the manager but only for free kicks and pens when there is a pause.
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Doesn't VAR do that anyway? I'm sure wolves wouldn't have minded a bit of disruption last Monday to get the right decision rather than an apology.
 
Mancity1980 said:
I think the reason there is not a review system is the disrupting the flow of the game. Those other sports are stop-start so reviews do little to break the play up. However a review system is needed, I would suggest 2 per team by the manager but only for free kicks and pens when there is a pause.
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Whats the point. Lets take the other night with the stonewall penalty, the bent Ref's would just say no pen as its against the Rags.... Play on.

The Refs (VAR) involved looked at the incident and after reviewing decided no foul. No review system in the world can fix corruption. It isn't VAR that's the issue (It showed even a village idiot it was a clear penalty), but the corrupt officials who run it.
 
......therefore it is VAR that's a fault, cos it'll alsways be the incompetents who run it.
No VAR, no dodgy decisions (or non-decisions)
 
cheekybids said:
Howard Webb contacts Wolves over failure to award penalty
https://mol.im/a/12409145


He said: 'I don't think the officials are trying to favour one side. I just think it's human nature. If there's a decision you're not sure about, everyone would be impacted by the Old Trafford crowd and the fact it's Manchester United.

'That's why I think VAR should be able to help more in those situations. Before I spoke to Jon Moss I was told it was not a clear and obvious error.


This is admission that they are afraid to give decisions at OT & Anfield & precisely why he’s instructed the refs previously to go with the on-field decision. Yet in his statement above he’s throwing his refs under a bus & saying they shouldn’t. The only thing that’s taken him by surprise is the media fuelled by social media outrage. In his hey day the media were complicit with “it evens itself out” bullshit.

I’ll say it again the corruption is unspoken but you know to be rewarded (perform well) you look after Rags & Dippers. He’s got to the top of his field for doing it.
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Those quotes are from the Wolves manager not Howard Webb.
 
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