The Post General Election Thread

[kaz7]

So what do you make of the news that nurses are to have unsocial hours payment take off them a 25% pay cut effectively nice to see where the £8 billion is coming from what a set of cnuts.

Not surprised in the least and people voted for the bastard

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

So what do you make of the news that nurses are to have unsocial hours payment take off them a 25% pay cut effectively nice to see where the £8 billion is coming from what a set of cnuts.

No one has actually proposed this though have they? Nurses leaders are saying that it could happen up then lots of things could happen.

 

[Blue Maverick]

So what do you make of the news that nurses are to have unsocial hours payment take off them a 25% pay cut effectively nice to see where the £8 billion is coming from what a set of cnuts.

No one has actually proposed this though have they? Nurses leaders are saying that it could happen up then lots of things could happen.

It has long been rumoured mate, I rode out with the ambulance guys at the start of the year and it's basically been in the pipeline for ages they were just waiting for the election to then be able to do it. If they do it then expect lots of nurses to leave and come back as agency workers, it's a disgrace if it happens.

 

[blueonblue]

Only the barmpot lefties would bandie this kind of shite about as if its any kind of reality, it simply will not happen, its not even a remote maybe but rather just another outright scare story for the hard of thinking.

 

[malg]

So what do you make of the news that nurses are to have unsocial hours payment take off them a 25% pay cut effectively nice to see where the £8 billion is coming from what a set of cnuts.

Not surprised in the least and people voted for the bastard

I haven't heard one single nurse mention this, and if it was happening I'm sure they'd say something. When was this news announced?

 

[urmston]

So what do you make of the news that nurses are to have unsocial hours payment take off them a 25% pay cut effectively nice to see where the £8 billion is coming from what a set of cnuts.

Many millions of private sector workers will be surprised to learn that nurses get these extra payments in 2015.

They are a distant memory for many other people.

Over the last 20 years or so countless employers have scrapped all sorts of bonus payments such as unsocial house allowances, extra payment tor overtime and Sunday work and many others.

Public sector workers, by and large, still enjoy these perks while the majority of people who pay taxes for their wages don't, because they have been insulated from the economic realities which have affected other workers.

There is probably no market related reason to give nurses these extra payments. They are unlikely to quit and be able to find a better paying job which still has them.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Germany is the conglomeration of numerous different and smaller countries into a unified whole which created an instant economic powerhouse over night. Measuring our successes versus the German economies, especially after the resulting damages of the World Wars is absolutely not a fair comparison.

Comparing different economies is always like that, a member of the audience during the election debates quizzed Ed Milliband on the contrast between our post recession performance and that of natural resource rich Canada and Australia, if you think about it, any one of the G8 economies could be judged as not being a "fair" comparison with the UK for a variety of reasons.

So the only comparison that produces anything we can use is "best practice", their modus operandi, and using that, on any number of measures, we can learn a lot from Germany, particularly the performance of the German Mittelstand....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mittelstand

"Mittelstand refers to small and medium-sized enterprises in German-speaking countries, especially in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. Economic and business historians have been increasingly giving Mittelstand companies more and more credit for Germany's economic growth since the beginning of the 20th century, often under the name of hidden champions......

Mittelstand companies are "highly focused, achieving unprecedented efficiencies by designing a business model with a razor-thin focus and learning to do the one thing really well"; then to "compensate for their razor-thin focus . . . they diversify internationally and enjoy great economies of scale". Mittelstand companies benefit from Germany's apprenticeship system, which provides highly skilled workers; and there is a "collaborative spirit that generally exists between employer and employees . . . . In the post-reunification recession, it seemed only natural to German workers to offer flexibility on wages and hours in return for greater job security.".

Spot the difference?

There's literally thousands of differences which is my point. Germany is an economic outlier who hasn't developed in the same way to the amalgamation of the country from the remains of the Roman Empire where numerous successful economies were joined together in a resource rich powerhouse and the rebuilding opportunities after the Second World War.

A comparison to France or Spain is much more valid; Denmark even more.

You miss the point, comparing countries, as you rightly say, is a dodgy old business because of history, resources and any number of other variables, but you can look at their modus operandi. There is much talk of rebalancing the UK economy both geographically and in sectors, i believe it to be entirely disingenuous (Osborne, for example, cited Sheikh Mansour's investment in the Etihad Campus as a vote of confidence in his economic policy) but notwithstanding that, we don't start with a blank piece of paper, much work has been done on this and I know for a fact that this government looks to Germany in an attempt to create our own Mittelstand.

You don't have to take my word for it.....

January this year....

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...ld-Mittelstand-according-Lord-Livingston.html

Taking on the Germans: Britain looks to build its own Mittelstand of high-performance mid-sized exporting firms

"Trade minister Lord Livingston has pledged to help create a ‘Brit-elstand’ – a UK equivalent to the medium-sized exporting companies known as the Mittelstand, that form the backbone of the German economy."

 

[malg]

So what do you make of the news that nurses are to have unsocial hours payment take off them a 25% pay cut effectively nice to see where the £8 billion is coming from what a set of cnuts.

Many millions of private sector workers will be surprised to learn that nurses get these extra payments in 2015.

They are a distant memory for many other people.

Over the last 20 years or so countless employers have scrapped all sorts of bonus payments such as unsocial house allowances, extra payment tor overtime and Sunday work and many others.

Public sector workers, by and large, still enjoy these perks while the majority of people who pay taxes for their wages don't, because they have been insulated from the economic realities which have affected other workers.

There is probably no market related reason to give nurses these extra payments. They are unlikely to quit and be able to find a better paying job which still has them.

Doesn't make it right though. I know nurses who do 4 nightshifts, have one day off and are back on long days. The day off is laughable as they've already worked 8.5 hours of that day. But they go home, get some sleep, and are back in at 8.30 the next morning, on a 12 hour shift. I realise those in the private sector have it hard, but I'm sure they get paid enhancements for overnight work.

 

[The perfect fumble]

So what do you make of the news that nurses are to have unsocial hours payment take off them a 25% pay cut effectively nice to see where the £8 billion is coming from what a set of cnuts.

Many millions of private sector workers will be surprised to learn that nurses get these extra payments in 2015.

They are a distant memory for many other people.

Over the last 20 years or so countless employers have scrapped all sorts of bonus payments such as unsocial house allowances, extra payment tor overtime and Sunday work and many others.

Public sector workers, by and large, still enjoy these perks while the majority of people who pay taxes for their wages don't, because they have been insulated from the economic realities which have affected other workers.

There is probably no market related reason to give nurses these extra payments. They are unlikely to quit and be able to find a better paying job which still has them.

You're right, they should join the race to the bottom with the rest of us.

 

[Lucky13]

So what do you make of the news that nurses are to have unsocial hours payment take off them a 25% pay cut effectively nice to see where the £8 billion is coming from what a set of cnuts.

Many millions of private sector workers will be surprised to learn that nurses get these extra payments in 2015.

They are a distant memory for many other people.

Over the last 20 years or so countless employers have scrapped all sorts of bonus payments such as unsocial house allowances, extra payment tor overtime and Sunday work and many others.

Public sector workers, by and large, still enjoy these perks while the majority of people who pay taxes for their wages don't, because they have been insulated from the economic realities which have affected other workers.

There is probably no market related reason to give nurses these extra payments. They are unlikely to quit and be able to find a better paying job which still has them.

Doesn't make it right though. I know nurses who do 4 nightshifts, have one day off and are back on long days. The day off is laughable as they've already worked 8.5 hours of that day. But they go home, get some sleep, and are back in at 8.30 the next morning, on a 12 hour shift. I realise those in the private sector have it hard, but I'm sure they get paid enhancements for overnight work.

Whether we agree with it or not we now live and work 24/7 , generous night shift payments are a thing of the past.

The NHS needs to evolve and Dave has promised the funds to do this , compare this to the Socialist weaponising at the Election and it's plain to see why Dave is PM.