The Post General Election Thread

[malg]

I have no idea what 'generous nightshift payments' are. I was overnights manager in Sainsbury's, and they paid very good night rates, so it's not just the public sector. I'm not arguing public v private here, and I've long argued that Labour labouring the point about the Tories privatising the NHS is a shite tactic, Burnham needs fucking hanging out to dry about PFI. However, where I will argue is when people say that workers shouldn't be paid an enhancement for working overnights, unsocial hours and weekends. The only cunts who make out of that are those who are already coining it in.

 

[urmston]

So what do you make of the news that nurses are to have unsocial hours payment take off them a 25% pay cut effectively nice to see where the £8 billion is coming from what a set of cnuts.

Many millions of private sector workers will be surprised to learn that nurses get these extra payments in 2015.

They are a distant memory for many other people.

Over the last 20 years or so countless employers have scrapped all sorts of bonus payments such as unsocial house allowances, extra payment tor overtime and Sunday work and many others.

Public sector workers, by and large, still enjoy these perks while the majority of people who pay taxes for their wages don't, because they have been insulated from the economic realities which have affected other workers.

There is probably no market related reason to give nurses these extra payments. They are unlikely to quit and be able to find a better paying job which still has them.

Doesn't make it right though.

Doesn't make it wrong either. It's how money works.

Nurses pay and conditions should bear some relation to those of the people who pay them.

It does not make economic sense, nor it is particularly fair to allow public sector workers to remain at the high water mark of pay and conditions while the rest of us, including many millions of us who are paid less or about the same as a nurse or a policeman etc, suffer cuts brought about by the realities of an increasingly globalised and competitive economy.

An insulated, privileged and generously treated public sector workforce is also likely to become increasingly out of touch with the people they are paid to serve.

It'd be wrong to treat public employees worse than the average worker, but there is no reason why they should be treated better either. They are no more noble and caring than the people who kindly pay the taxes for their wages, although they often claim to be.

 

[DelToro]

I have no idea what 'generous nightshift payments' are. I was overnights manager in Sainsbury's, and they paid very good night rates, so it's not just the public sector. I'm not arguing public v private here, and I've long argued that Labour labouring the point about the Tories privatising the NHS is a shite tactic, Burnham needs fucking hanging out to dry about PFI. However, where I will argue is when people say that workers shouldn't be paid an enhancement for working overnights, unsocial hours and weekends. The only c**ts who make out of that are those who are already coining it in.

Having worked in a number of different industries e.g distribution, manufacturing, care etc I haven't come across one where night work did not attract a premium.

 

[Damocles]

I have no idea what 'generous nightshift payments' are. I was overnights manager in Sainsbury's, and they paid very good night rates, so it's not just the public sector. I'm not arguing public v private here, and I've long argued that Labour labouring the point about the Tories privatising the NHS is a shite tactic, Burnham needs fucking hanging out to dry about PFI. However, where I will argue is when people say that workers shouldn't be paid an enhancement for working overnights, unsocial hours and weekends. The only c**ts who make out of that are those who are already coining it in.

Having worked in a number of different industries e.g distribution, manufacturing, care etc I haven't come across one where night work did not attract a premium.

I used to work as a Recruitment Consultant and I've never heard of a single place where you aren't salaried and night shifts don't have a premium attached, and I've placed hundreds of people in those types of jobs.

 

[The perfect fumble]

urmston wrote:
An insulated, privileged and generously treated public sector workforce is also likely to become increasingly out of touch with the people they are paid to serve.

Give me strength!

 

[mackenzie]

urmston wrote:
An insulated, privileged and generously treated public sector workforce is also likely to become increasingly out of touch with the people they are paid to serve.

Give me strength!

Unbelievable isn't it.

 

[whp.blue]

I have no idea what 'generous nightshift payments' are. I was overnights manager in Sainsbury's, and they paid very good night rates, so it's not just the public sector. I'm not arguing public v private here, and I've long argued that Labour labouring the point about the Tories privatising the NHS is a shite tactic, Burnham needs fucking hanging out to dry about PFI. However, where I will argue is when people say that workers shouldn't be paid an enhancement for working overnights, unsocial hours and weekends. The only c**ts who make out of that are those who are already coining it in.

One of the great things about living in this country is if you don't like your job or what you are paid you can always change it. If you feel, like a lot of the left wingers. that all the bosses are making a fortune off the back of the workers. Then when you give up your crap job you can become your own boss and set up your own business and gain all those rewards for yourself. You can then pay all your staff £15.00 hour and give them 10 weeks holiday a year and in no time at all you will be worth millions as you will have a hugely motivated work force.
Go out and do it it's dead easy honest.

 

[malg]

urmston wrote:
An insulated, privileged and generously treated public sector workforce is also likely to become increasingly out of touch with the people they are paid to serve.

Give me strength!

I'm no fucking Lettie, but those comments even made me say the same as you.

As for the nightshift thing, I have personally never met anyone who worked those shifts and didn't receive an enhancement. That goes for retail, bakers, drivers and IT guys I've met. Oh, we never got shift allowance in the Army.......forgot that!

 

[malg]

I see the Edstone has been making headlines again. I wonder if it will be auctioned off?

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[Blue Maverick]

Many millions of private sector workers will be surprised to learn that nurses get these extra payments in 2015.

They are a distant memory for many other people.

Over the last 20 years or so countless employers have scrapped all sorts of bonus payments such as unsocial house allowances, extra payment tor overtime and Sunday work and many others.

Public sector workers, by and large, still enjoy these perks while the majority of people who pay taxes for their wages don't, because they have been insulated from the economic realities which have affected other workers.

There is probably no market related reason to give nurses these extra payments. They are unlikely to quit and be able to find a better paying job which still has them.

Doesn't make it right though. I know nurses who do 4 nightshifts, have one day off and are back on long days. The day off is laughable as they've already worked 8.5 hours of that day. But they go home, get some sleep, and are back in at 8.30 the next morning, on a 12 hour shift. I realise those in the private sector have it hard, but I'm sure they get paid enhancements for overnight work.

Whether we agree with it or not we now live and work 24/7 , generous night shift payments are a thing of the past.

The NHS needs to evolve and Dave has promised the funds to do this , compare this to the Socialist weaponising at the Election and it's plain to see why Dave is PM.

I hate this myth the world is 24/7, well when I'm in nights i can't walk into a bank and talk about my mortgage, how about popping to the Trafford centre at 4am, nope that's not open, you take away these payments from the nurses and see how poorly they really are paid. Like most have said most night shifts attract an enhancement because no one in their right mind would want to work nights they are fucking awful. I know I've done them since I was 18 years old and can't wait till I never have to do them or a weekend again.
As for urmstons comments well I've come to expect it from him just ignore him he will go away eventually.