Rascal
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You must have lived a sheltered life
BM Hyperbole reaches a new high
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You must have lived a sheltered life
BM Hyperbole reaches a new high
gordondaviesmoustache
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One thing I haven't lived is a sheltered life, mate. If you ever get to meet my dad you'll understand exactly what I'm saying :-)You must have lived a sheltered life
squirtyflower
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I haveOne thing I haven't lived is a sheltered life, mate. If you ever get to meet my dad you'll understand exactly what I'm saying :-)
gordondaviesmoustache
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I know you have. He's a complete one off :-)I have
Some good points, but again, you are focusing on so called 'negative campaigning' as a salve to the pain of defeat. Every election I can remember has involved the successful candidate rubbishing the oppositions policies negatively; Labour under Blair managed to paint what was an economically competent government as sleaze ridden crooks (you may or may not think, justifiably), his own party at this time had changed it's methodology and appealed to the inate sense of English fair play, mostly by traducing the Conservatives, not by presenting well judged policies. Also, prior to the election I didn't hear much from Labour supporters telling us how ineffective Miliband and Labour were, this appears to have manifested itself after its' destruction in the polls.
Labour lost, fear of the SNP was indeed a factor, its' apparent ineffectuality added to the problem, but the Tories won because they are what the country wanted.
I dont think the general election campaign made the slightest difference to the result. The polls didnt move a jot throughout the campaign. They understated the Tory support at the end of the campaign, what reason is there to think that they didnt understate their support from the very outset? If they had held the vote the day after parliament was dissolved, with no campaigning, the result would have been exactly the same.
The electorate had made their mind up about Milliband, Balls & Co well before the election campaign began.
Len Rum
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You're ignoring the impact on the English vote of the effect of a minority Labour administration relying on the support or abstention of the SNP . This could have easily resulted in 30 seats or more won by the Tories won because of their campaigning on this issue - the difference between a Tory majority and the need to form a coalition.I dont think the general election campaign made the slightest difference to the result. The polls didnt move a jot throughout the campaign. They understated the Tory support at the end of the campaign, what reason is there to think that they didnt understate their support from the very outset? If they had held the vote the day after parliament was dissolved, with no campaigning, the result would have been exactly the same.
The electorate had made their mind up about Milliband, Balls & Co well before the election campaign began.
Without the Scotland effect ( including the 45 seats Labour lost to the SNP), the Tories may not have even been the largest party.
smudgedj
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You're ignoring the impact on the English vote of the effect of a minority Labour administration relying on the support or abstention of the SNP . This could have easily resulted in 30 seats or more won by the Tories won because of their campaigning on this issue - the difference between a Tory majority and the need to form a coalition.
Without the Scotland effect ( including the 45 seats Labour lost to the SNP), the Tories may not have even been the largest party.
Stage 3 eh - Bargaining.
If only..
You're ignoring the impact on the English vote of the effect of a minority Labour administration relying on the support or abstention of the SNP . This could have easily resulted in 30 seats or more won by the Tories won because of their campaigning on this issue - the difference between a Tory majority and the need to form a coalition.
Without the Scotland effect ( including the 45 seats Labour lost to the SNP), the Tories may not have even been the largest party.
If that had been the case, wouldnt Labour have been well ahead in the polls before the SNP effect became a significant factor?