The Rise of the Far Right

[Sarutaka]

Aren’t these ideologies not just part of British/Western culture…? Like, when exactly did this ever change? I’ve lived in a couple of European countries and as a black man, even though I see plenty of racism in England, you are doing far far faaaaaaarrrr better than many European countries. They borderline don’t care sometimes. At least with Britain it’s a bit more complex.

for example, I am from the Netherlands and they still celebrate events like *sinterklaas*. Google it and be shocked hahaha

 

[Aphex]

Are you seeing both sides of all the arguments, though?

How about the the argument of "should we irreversibly damage the potential for all civilised life on Earth to continue by utterly destroying the climate we depend upon to live so that a tiny minority of shareholders can report continuing profit growth over the next few quarters?". Ultimately, people can both-sides things as much as they like, but the only place that's going to lead if more serious action isn't taken is everyone being very centrist and reasonable and intelligent and grown-up as they sweep past the corpses of their children as Sri Lanka goes underwater and millions of people are displaced across the globe as food supplies crash and the eco-system sucks itself into a plughole.

The only joy I can find in the situation is the idea of aliens beaming down in the future to a desolate planet only to find out that the human race spent the years facing the single most dangerous threat in it's entire history being stoked up about transgender people and Brexit and whether Johnny Depp hit his wife or not.

Your last paragraph is the way the world has been for the last 20 years or so, the obsession with money, fame and to a certain extent, beauty. That will not change as there will always be vacuous people. It’s just easier to follow a crowd than be an individual. As for the transgender question and teaching young kids about different sexuality’s, that is what is going to open the door to the right. I can fully understand parents that don’t want this being taught to their kids. Their very young kids I may add.

As for the climate. That is a massive undertaking that will rumble on and on. I’m somewhat of a skeptic to be honest.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I consider myself centre left. I can understand arguments on both sides, even both sides of an agenda (which I do. I listen to left and right podcasts) but my views now are classed as right. As are my friends who are even more left than me.. what does that tell you about how far the ideological left have gone? In my opinion the ‘right’ will make gains because no matter how left you think you are, you simply can’t be left enough.

Is that not just getting older though? Every generation thinks they're progressive until they're suddenly not. How you feel about the trans issue (for example) is probably how your parents felt about the gay issue and how your grandparents felt about women's liberation.

However, you're right in that both the ideological left and right have been polarized, certainly in terms of views that get platformed and promoted because of the effects of social media. People get attention by looking at things to be outraged by, and points based on how devout a member of their side they are.

 

[The Pandorica Opened]

Your last paragraph is the way the world has been for the last 20 years or so, the obsession with money, fame and to a certain extent, beauty. That will not change as there will always be vacuous people. It’s just easier to follow a crowd than be an individual. As for the transgender question and teaching young kids about different sexuality’s, that is what is going to open the door to the right. I can fully understand parents that don’t want this being taught to their kids. Their very young kids I may add.

As for the climate. That is a massive undertaking that will rumble on and on. I’m somewhat of a skeptic to be honest.

Good news, then - there'll be no time to inform kids of the fact that trans people exist since they'll be too busy fighting with ten thousand other families over spaces in government shelters as vast swathes of the globe's population are displaced and the ecosystem that provides our food, air, and water gets fucked harder than Sasha Grey doing a gangbang scene.

 

[Aphex]

Is that not just getting older though? Every generation thinks they're progressive until they're suddenly not. How you feel about the trans issue (for example) is probably how your parents felt about the gay issue and how your grandparents felt about women's liberation.

However, you're right in that both the ideological left and right have been polarized, certainly in terms of views that get platformed and promoted because of the effects of social media. People get attention by looking at things to be outraged by, and points based on how devout a member of their side they are.

Of course. The kids are like aliens now. I expect the same way was felt by when I was a teen. There is another factor now I feel, and as you say, social media. It’s created a narcissistic class of group think. Everyone is on a forum now. Everyone is hearing what they want to hear. Like this place, it’s an echo chamber about City and we come here to read about it. Problem is, when you get every person on the planet in their own echo chamber it validates even the most crazy ideas.

 

[Aphex]

Good news, then - there'll be no time to inform kids of the fact that trans people exist since they'll be too busy fighting with ten thousand other families over spaces in government shelters as vast swathes of the globe's population are displaced and the ecosystem that provides our food, air, and water gets fucked harder than Sasha Grey doing a gangbang scene.

I think you may be overreacting. Sasha Grey was good in that film with the hobbit chap. Can’t remember his name now.

 

[NPBlue]

 

[Rascal]

I consider myself centre left. I can understand arguments on both sides, even both sides of an agenda (which I do. I listen to left and right podcasts) but my views now are classed as right. As are my friends who are even more left than me.. what does that tell you about how far the ideological left have gone? In my opinion the ‘right’ will make gains because no matter how left you think you are, you simply can’t be left enough.

Do you read the Telegraph per chance.

Describe why you consider yourself centre left and explain what policies you believe are centre left.

Your last paragraph is the way the world has been for the last 20 years or so, the obsession with money, fame and to a certain extent, beauty. That will not change as there will always be vacuous people. It’s just easier to follow a crowd than be an individual. As for the transgender question and teaching young kids about different sexuality’s, that is what is going to open the door to the right. I can fully understand parents that don’t want this being taught to their kids. Their very young kids I may add.

As for the climate. That is a massive undertaking that will rumble on and on. I’m somewhat of a skeptic to be honest.

Do you see teaching about a persons sexuality as left wing?

 

[Aphex]

Hi @Rascal. No I don’t read the Telegraph, or any other paper really. I’m not going into all my political beliefs, but I’m against the death penalty and for the welfare state. As for teaching kids under nine (which is the Florida bill) to teach 100 different genders to kids.. no, unnecessarily confusing and harmful. Let me just say this:

what is more patriarchal and misogynistic than a man who now identifies as a woman telling a woman she can’t do anything about ‘her’ going into her private spaces?

That’s how far the left have gone. It’s almost full circle.

 

[Mike D]

Hi @Rascal. No I don’t read the Telegraph, or any other paper really. I’m not going into all my political beliefs, but I’m against the death penalty and for the welfare state. As for teaching kids under nine (which is the Florida bill) to teach 100 different genders to kids.. no, unnecessarily confusing and harmful. Let me just say this:

what is more patriarchal and misogynistic than a man who now identifies as a woman telling a woman she can’t do anything about ‘her’ going into her private spaces?

That’s how far the left have gone. It’s almost full circle.

I would love you to try one of those quiz's on your political bias and based on what you are saying, I predict you are more right than you think you are.