The Scottish Politics thread

[Saddleworth2]

You could start the ball rolling yourselves up there by rejecting the Barnett formula as of now, it's not going to be there anyway after independence, so why not show the world how you can thrive without support from England?
This is constantly claimed by Sturgeon, so go for it.

Sure. As long as there is a properly negotiated agreement between the split of assets and liabilities as well. I am tending to agreeing with you btw. Too much talk and not enough do for me at the moment.

 

[Gabriel]

I know what you mean though.

Very much a one way street now, the Union is divided and the pull will only continue in one direction.

The Brexit vote was a vote to fuck the union. How slowly or how quickly and via which party/nation, only time will tell. But I can't for the life of me see any way back.

If we assume that the movement toward Independence has been rolling, admittedly not always at the same pace, since the 1970s, then it’s taken approximately half a century to arrive at this point. That does not necessarily mean that that direction cannot be reversed, but historically I cannot identify a case where it has happened.

 

[Saddleworth2]

New scottish labour leader seems very much Meh going off his showing on marr

A descent enough guy. Like Starmer though, not sure what he stands for on the big stuff.

 

[urban genie]

A descent enough guy. Like Starmer though, not sure what he stands for on the big stuff.

That was probably it, must have left that interview with splinters in his arse the amount of fence sitting non answers

 

[Gabriel]

A descent enough guy. Like Starmer though, not sure what he stands for on the big stuff.

It’s all ‘a journey’ which along with ‘team U.K.’ form the buzzwords of the day.

 

[Saddleworth2]

That wqs probably it, must have left that interview with splinters in his arse the amount of fence sitting non answers

They need a radical rethink. They are pretty much fucked in Scotland (and England tbf). At least we have an alternative ;-)

 

[Coatigan]

If we assume that the movement toward Independence has been rolling, admittedly not always at the same pace, since the 1970s, then it’s taken approximately half a century to arrive at this point. That does not necessarily mean that that direction cannot be reversed, but historically I cannot identify a case where it has happened.

My 2014 comment was a bit of a joke, but joking aside, that Did settle it and put a stop to it, if you would, for the foseeable. That forseeble happened to be just two years though, and Brexit resumed it, and with far more vigour. There IS also Northern Ireland in the equation too now.

Quebec may possibly be an example in some shape of whay you are looking for.

 

[Saddleworth2]

It’s all ‘a journey’ which along with ‘team U.K.’ form the buzzwords of the day.

'team UK'? I didnt see Marr but wonder what the fuck he means by that.

 

[Coatigan]

If we assume that the movement toward Independence has been rolling, admittedly not always at the same pace, since the 1970s, then it’s taken approximately half a century to arrive at this point. That does not necessarily mean that that direction cannot be reversed, but historically I cannot identify a case where it has happened.

In that case assume it has been rolling for over 300 years. Not always at the same pace, and possibly 'reversed' a few times over.

 

[hilts]

Morning angry ginger skirt-wearers. Has your fancy electoral system spat out a result yet?

I think we need more fancy electoral systems that get us as far away from basic democracy as possible. We need more elections more governments more councillors and a longer wait for results so all sides can claim a victory. I think if you are born in the U.K. or have visited it once or once watched Downton Abbey you can vote in any election, call yourself Irish,Scottish English or European. You can change your mind daily like gender. Elections every week I say.

You could even call yourself Welsh and not feel ashamed to come out of the house:-)

 

[Gabriel]

'team UK'? I didnt see Marr but wonder what the fuck he means by that.

It’s this week’s Westminster buzzword. Johnson apparently wrote it in his letter to Sturgeon and it’s in the Daily Mail (English version) headline, too. Presumably, it means that more can be achieved by cooperating, but if it takes combating a pandemic to realise that, then that is, pardon the pun, an already unhealthy situation.

 

[Mr. Wednesday]

The SNP 'failed' at winning an outright majority, by one seat. They have 33 seats more than the next best party. Plus 8 greens who are proindy, giving them a majority of 7. They also align on many other if not all policies, with the greens basically a more lefty version of the snp and with a bigger focus on environment.

In short they will have no issue at all governing.

There has been no significant change, overall it is an increase of 3 seats.



Regarding indyref, doesn't really matter either way imo. The snp had a mandate last term, parliament voted it through. they went along with Boris rejecting it because it suited them, to get to and win This election on it, before pushing it. They have a mandate again, maybe slightly stronger maybe not, and parliament will vote it through, when tabled. Thereafter it becomes a mess. Nicola is in no rush to do it, and has already caveated recovery comes first. But she Has to do it this term now, as she cant sustain stretching it out like this, it will frustrate her voters. Or maybe she can, who knows, nobody could have forseen covid, that still has to settle.


I've said on here a few times, and I still sthink that, I don't want another referendum. I'm one of those. That's not to say I don't 100% recognise the mandate is there, as it has been last term too, for one to happen when the Scottish parliament elected by the people decides. One is coming whether i want it or not (I didn't want that brexit one either) and that is democracy. Other than that, I'm happy with the parliament make-up and government, could have done with less torries and more of Anyone else really, but they have milked the single issue campaign so I'm hopeful it is centred around that for the time being rather than general policy (of which they have none anyway).

Think it really does need to now be put on the back burner, till things settle a bit.
Unfortunately, we won't be allowed that, and not by the proindy lot, but by the UK media and the mainstream parties.

If you watched the aftermath coverage of the election, the only ones talking about it were the opposition parties and the media, and thats all they talked about.

Agree with pretty much all of that. Although I do want another referendum.

 

[Saddleworth2]

It’s this week’s Westminster buzzword. Johnson apparently wrote it in his letter to Sturgeon and it’s in the Daily Mail (English version) headline, too. Presumably, it means that more can be achieved by cooperating, but if it takes combating a pandemic to realise that, then that is, pardon the pun, an already unhealthy situation.

And doesn't quite work when applied to Brexit. Where was team UK when Scotland and NI voted no?

 

[Saddleworth2]

Morning angry ginger skirt-wearers. Has your fancy electoral system spat out a result yet?

Fuck off ya bas!


Sorry, just being an angry ginger skirt-wearer.

Anyway, as it happens yes. A pro independence majority returned to our parliament. Nicola gets the mandate she wanted.

 

[Gabriel]

And doesn't quite work when applied to Brexit. Where was team UK when Scotland and NI voted no?

Indeed. It’s also seven years since the ‘Vow’ was signed, making similar such appeals, but its signatories are historical figures and so too its commitments.

 

[Magicpole]

Considering the tactical voting, the absolute bias, an example of how the BBC showed this, Wales, they retained enough, just enough, to be the biggest party, yet they Won Wales, but the SNP, they Failed, to get an overall majority in a parliament designed deliberately to prevent it. 64 seats. A brilliant and resounding victory even after 14 years in power. Putting it simply, the people have spoken and Johnson can bluster all he wants. Everybody and their aunty knows to deny us a second Indy ref after this, is as bad as China is over Hong Kong, who the Tories are always telling Beijing to acknowledge the democratic rights of the people.

Johnson is a lightweight political animal. A buffoon, a conman and a lying, blustering prick, whose vodoo works south of the border, to your absolute shame I may add, i mean, FFS wake up and smell the coffee, but not here. Sturgeon is the real deal and she will defeat him for two reasons
She is the real deal and we have rejected him and his **** of a party. This election was fought on Indy 2, 64 SNP and 8 Greens shows that's what we want. If there hadnt been tactical voting, the SNP would have won another 4 seats. They tried everything and we still handed them their arses.

Now the focus for us is Labour voters up here, always more left wing than anywhere else in the UK, who must know now that their party is never going to win if it's left wing. So, the choice is stark, eternal Tory rule or at best Tory Lite Labour. The chance to reinvent themselves after Indy is the key, but ending forever Tory rule is the prize they should all want. Or, if not all, then enough for us to win well. At least one part of these islands has again put them to the sword, we are subject to the same, nothing to see media, but we see through that, which i am proud of, we might be a lot of things, but we ain't fucking easily duped twats. And for that I am absolutely proud of us. Well done my wee county. You are a fucking star.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Considering the tactical voting, the absolute bias, an example of how the BBC showed this, Wales, they retained enough, just enough, to be the biggest party, yet they Won Wales, but the SNP, they Failed, to get an overall majority in a parliament designed deliberately to prevent it. 64 seats. A brilliant and resounding victory even after 14 years in power. Putting it simply, the people have spoken and Johnson can bluster all he wants. Everybody and their aunty knows to deny us a second Indy ref after this is as bad as China is over Hong Kong, who the Tories are always telling Beijing to acknowledge the democratic rights of the people.

Johnson is a lightweight political animal. A buffoon, a conman and a lying blustering prick, whose vodoo works south of the border, to your absolute shame I may add, i mean, FFS wake up and smell the coffee, but not here. Sturgeon is the real deal and she will defeat him for two reasons
She is the real.deal and we have rejected him and his **** of a party. This election was fought on Indy 2, 64 SNP and 8 Greens shows that's what we want. If there hadnt been ractucak voting SNP would have won another 4 seats. They tried everything and we still handed them their arses.

Now the focus for is us Labour voters up here, always more left wing than anywhere else who must know now that their party is never going to win if it's left wing. So, the choice is stark, eternal Tory rule or at best Tory Lite Labour. The chance to reinvent themselves after Indy is the key, but ending forever Tory rule is the prize they should all want. Or, if not all, then enough for us to win well. At least one part of these islands has aga8n out them to the sword, we are subject to the same nothing to see media, but we see through that, which i am.oroud of, we might be a lot of things, but we ain't fucking easily duped twats. And for that I am absolutely proud of us. Well done my wee county. You are a fucking star.

I posted earlier that we now need to start acting like independence is going to happen. Adopt that mindset and set up a raft of initiatives that will make us a successful small independent country. We can step up attracting immigration for example. Start to get the fiscal frameworks in place. All this would be complimentary to COVID recovery and would give us a head start when we vote yes at the next referendum.

 

[Magicpole]

I posted earlier that we now need to start acting like independence is going to happen. Adopt that mindset and set up a raft of initiatives that will make us a successful small independent country. We can step up attracting immigration for example. Start to get the fiscal frameworks in place. All this would be complimentary to COVID recovery and would give us a head start when we vote yes at the next referendum.

Now isnt the time. We deal with Covid, we do what you say, we let Brexit show people here how much of a disaster it is, we let Labour voters watch Starmer move further to the right and effectively become an irrelevance. Two years and we go for it. We hold all the aces. They key is not to blink. Not to be rushed. Then we strike. We have spoken. They can kid themselves we haven't, but even they know we have.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Now isnt the time. We deal with Covid, we do what you say, we let Brexit show people here how much of a disaster it is, we let Labour voters watch Starmer move further to the right and effectively become an irrelevance. Two years and we go for it. We hold all the aces. They key is not to blink. Not to be rushed. Then we strike. We have spoken. They can kid themselves we haven't, but even they know we have.

Not sure showing brexit is a disaster will help the indy cause tbh?

 

[Coatigan]

Not sure showing brexit is a disaster will help the indy cause tbh?

It certainly will.

It already has.