The Stench of Tory

[EalingBlue2]

Yes. And you never "rightys" asking WHY young girls have low expectations and are undereducated and desperate for love, attention, family etc. It's like you only hear them snearing at the addicted, saying it's some sort of weakness, never once questioning why people eat junk, take drugs, drink themselves silly like Winston Churchill did!!!! The right are into personalizing blame.

Maybe if there was good, respectful, fairly paid, regulated mass employment around, maybe, maybe just our underclass may start to feel a bit more like work is fucckin worth while instead of being lectured to by the likes of Ian Duncan fookin Smith who as well as owning his own propertie, has the luxury of living rent free in his wife's families Georgian country house estate, which over the past ten years, it has received €1.5m in income support from taxpayers

I am with you if girls are getting pregnant at 13 as this is the only way they see they can get something or have a hope in life then I blame society far more than I blame them. People sneer and say they should go out and get jobs, the trouble is many haven't had a parent who has worked or taught them any sense of right and wrong and they haven't got the skills or education for it as society has failed them. Meanwhile people who have been given every opportunity by their upbringing, education and society sneer at the unfortunate and moan they are paying too much after being given everything .

 

[EalingBlue2]

The over embracing of capitalism has lead to a power shift away from our representatives who ask for our support once every few years actually representing us and instead being nothing more than a mouthpiece for business. This coincidently happened around the same time MPs started getting retained by business. We now find ourselves in a situation where 85 billion of tax payers money floats off to corporate bank accounts every year in sweeteners, tax relief, low wage top ups, while tax revenue is avoided and turned a blind eye to. We are being right royally screwed as a nation and the only people who mention it a internet journalists. You watch the Marr show. They had Gideon on the other day. Any mention of him signing off the HSBC tax avoidance fraud? Nope. All that happened was he facilitated Gideon in crowing about his apparent fantastic budget. We are screwed unless a real political revolution happens. Until the people get together and say we need a better quality representation, we've had it!

How is this any worse than girls on estates knocking out kids from the age of 14 and expecting the country the feed clothe and house them and their offspring for the next 40 years?

People bang on about HSBC but people living their whole lives on benefits and they may have come from several generations of families who find it acceptable to do this and they breed a new generation who do the same because they know nothing different in the long run they will cost the country much more than HSBC

I never hear the lefties saying we should address this.

I do think this should be addressed, better schools, better after school offerings, a square meal every day and role models to help break the cycle and teach these kids who you are writing off as children how they can become healthy contributing members of society!

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

I do think it's fair amd I do think a lot of wealthy people should pay more. I think its absolutely fair and think that basic morality and a basic tenet of decency should mean we aspire to lessen the divide between the haves and have nots.

Well I disagree, we will end up like France if you just penalise the higher earners.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I do think it's fair amd I do think a lot of wealthy people should pay more. I think its absolutely fair and think that basic morality and a basic tenet of decency should mean we aspire to lessen the divide between the haves and have nots.

Well I disagree, we will end up like France if you just penalise the higher earners.

Good point about the French. They have a socialist government, which has reverted to type and delivered stagnation and an exit of high earners. This is what happens when you have high tax rates like 75%. The top tax rate here has been reduced to 45% and as a result, the total tax receipts from the top 1% has increased, as you pointed out.
The envy crew just never get this.

 

[Bill]

I do think it's fair amd I do think a lot of wealthy people should pay more. I think its absolutely fair and think that basic morality and a basic tenet of decency should mean we aspire to lessen the divide between the haves and have nots.

By the same logic everyone should pay something

no one should be able to live totally off handouts. Fairness dictates that you must put in before you can take out and that is also a basic morality that the left wing seem to conveniently ignore

on the fucking money.

not one able bodied person would get a fucking bean off me unless at some time they had paid something in. not a bean.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I do think it's fair amd I do think a lot of wealthy people should pay more. I think its absolutely fair and think that basic morality and a basic tenet of decency should mean we aspire to lessen the divide between the haves and have nots.

Well I disagree, we will end up like France if you just penalise the higher earners.

Good point about the French. They have a socialist government, which has reverted to type and delivered stagnation and an exit of high earners. This is what happens when you have high tax rates like 75%. The top tax rate here has been reduced to 45% and as a result, the total tax receipts from the top 1% has increased, as you pointed out.
The envy crew just never get this.

It's also right to say that significant numbers of French top earners are now ensconced in London as a result of the above.

 

[EalingBlue2]

DeNiro would you scrap school till kids had done a few shifts in the mill to play for it? would you make babies chip in for immunisation and family benefits etc

 

[EalingBlue2]

Well I disagree, we will end up like France if you just penalise the higher earners.

Good point about the French. They have a socialist government, which has reverted to type and delivered stagnation and an exit of high earners. This is what happens when you have high tax rates like 75%. The top tax rate here has been reduced to 45% and as a result, the total tax receipts from the top 1% has increased, as you pointed out.
The envy crew just never get this.

It's also right to say that significant numbers of French top earners are now ensconced in London as a result of the above.

No one has suggested 75% tax or even 60% tax, no one has suggested 35 hour weeks etc etc - I don't think there is much danger of that happening even in the ideas of the left.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Well I disagree, we will end up like France if you just penalise the higher earners.

Good point about the French. They have a socialist government, which has reverted to type and delivered stagnation and an exit of high earners. This is what happens when you have high tax rates like 75%. The top tax rate here has been reduced to 45% and as a result, the total tax receipts from the top 1% has increased, as you pointed out.
The envy crew just never get this.

It's also right to say that significant numbers of French top earners are now ensconced in London as a result of the above.

Thousands of them Gord, all paying large amounts of lovely tax into our coffers instead of their home country.
So what's so great about this 'Socialism' then? If we are mad enough to embrace the same system, these Gallic high earners will merely decamp back to La Belle France, (once the wanna be commie has been removed and replaced by someone more sensible) and their money will go with them.
I've seen it all in my time, with 83% tax rates on high earners, rising to 98%, believe it or not, and the result was total disaster, we still had to visit the IMF before we collapsed completely. I know it must be hard seeing wealthy folk and people at the bottom end, but nobody ever made the poor rich by making the rich poor, it's never worked and never will.

 

[EalingBlue2]

I do think it's fair amd I do think a lot of wealthy people should pay more. I think its absolutely fair and think that basic morality and a basic tenet of decency should mean we aspire to lessen the divide between the haves and have nots.

The envy crew ?
Well I disagree, we will end up like France if you just penalise the higher earners.

Good point about the French. They have a socialist government, which has reverted to type and delivered stagnation and an exit of high earners. This is what happens when you have high tax rates like 75%. The top tax rate here has been reduced to 45% and as a result, the total tax receipts from the top 1% has increased, as you pointed out.
The envy crew just never get this.

The envy crew? What envy crew? I suspect on this board it's the very opposite