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[oakiecokie]

Good!

I'm convinced it was only included to appease the 'super' clubs. After their stunt UEFA owe them nothing.

Get rid of the new bloated league concept as well.

There are a lot of split views on whether certain members of Citys hierarchy should apologise for what has happened since the news broke about all of this.
My answer is simple. An explanation is needed from Khaldoon. In what way and when I don't know, that's up to him. I've trusted him up until this point and I'll continue to support the decisions being made by the owners and board. So long as the majority of shares stays with Mansour and not American investments! Whether he or the board should apologise to the level of what we have seen over on Merseyside, no. In my opinion, that would be admitting to being part of it all.

G14 is crumbling before our very eyes.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I've seen this argument put forward and i can't square it - if City dragged their feet for just 24 more hours into Monday lunch, they would have seen the opprobrium and distaste and could have safely walked without ever being in the original 'gang'. Furthermore, there could not have been any sanctions that quickly AND city would have been one of the 15 and could have just vetoed any move to expel, based on the grounds they wanted to see what was unfolding.

If City had waited another 24 hours, there would have been no announcement to breakaway, it was a rush job, no public distaste could be gauged.

I highly doubt United and Liverpool could be confident City would not vote to expel them!

That I would love to have seen play out!

 

[lazerblue]

G14 is crumbling before our very eyes.

showing your age there oakie, using arthur askeys catchphrase

 

[M12Blue]

I think the name Champions should be removed from the name CL. Unless EUFA allow only league champions to play in CL competitions, it really is a fraudulent misleading name.

I can put up with that as long as UEFA say no c#nts can commentate on our games.

 

[shemnel]

If City had waited another 24 hours, there would have been no announcement to breakaway, it was a rush job, no public distaste could be gauged.

I highly doubt United and Liverpool could be confident City would not vote to expel them!

That I would love to have seen play out!

so you assert that all 6 had to be in so as to ensure a 'floating' 6th could not back stab the other 5 with a vote to expel? (with the other 14). I'm not saying that is or isn't the case.

that would assume that the PL would go through with a vote at all, which as a money making league it may not have risked, as the damage may have been irreversible to the entire pyramid.

and also the announcement was coming out with City as that 6th floater (from the PL), it was known to the world without our commitment. could we not have floated a little longer?

i buy some arguements about the exposing of certain clubs and our new relationship with UEFA but at the end of the day City would have rolled with this if for some reason a couple more clubs had leapt on, or it gained the required traction.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

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The wages they receive are part of the problem football finds itself in. City have to pay these wages it seems at this moment in time to keep the best players

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The wages they receive are indeed part of the problem but the biggest part of the problem lies with clubs who are spending money they haven't and won't get. When they fail to get into 'moneyed' competitions their problems loom large - Real, Barca, the two Milan teams, and Juve haven't a pot between them in which to urinate, MANUre are debt-ridden but claim it is 'manageable (LOL) and so their boards are desperately looking for any fuckin' goose that lays golden eggs.

 

[Academica]

The club finally got it correct, after we'd all been put through the mill. Now we go back to UEFA with Tebas on its executive committee, things are never straightforward for City. Wonder whats next!

And Gill and Rummenigge, what could go wrong.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

You'd hope, although it's not likely to happen, that this move has castrated the big clubs enough for UEFA and the Champions League to start telling them to fuck off with their threats and bullying tactics and actually open the competition back out to clubs across Europe.

I mean we take the piss out of Scottish football, but is it really fair that the club that won the title in the 14th best league in Europe has to go through 3 qualifying rounds to get into a tournament with 32 spaces, while the 4th placed team in England or the 2nd best team in Russia go straight through to the tournament? And people might say that they're shit, but why is that? Is it because they've had extra obstacles put in front of them because they just want the big teams in every year? I still remember not too long ago when Celtic would give the big boys a run for their money at times. And I'm using Celtic, but it could just as easily be Dinamo Zagreb, Red Star Belgrade, Olympiakos, or any other number of teams that were actually champions. And even if they get knocked out in the first round, how is that any different to the rags or automatic qualifiers Rennes and Marseille who went out with 1 and 3 points respectively?

Hell, it was only because of covid fucking up the schedules that Ajax didn't have to qualify. Fucking Ajax! Champions of the Dutch league and semi-finalists two years ago, and they would have had to go through the qualifying rounds. But if West Ham scrape into the top four this season, they'll go straight to the group stages because they're from England despite never having either won the league or competed in the Champions League.

I'm all in favour of making it harder to qualify from the big five leagues (maximum 2 automatic qualifiers and the rest go through qualifying rounds) and have more automatic qualifiers from smaller leagues. But I bet it won't happen because UEFA are more interested in lining their pockets than principles, and big teams from big leagues do that unfortunately.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

. . . . . . all 6 had to be in so as to ensure a 'floating' 6th could not back stab the other 5 with a vote to expel? ' ' ' ' ' ' '

Surely this would have been the Rag or Dipper preferred option? They've both missed a fuckin' trick there, then!

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Debt is the biggest ill across football. Debt and poorly run finances are what drove all of this.

I too think there needs to be a debt FFP, not just a revenue FFP.

This would seriously freshen up competition in football as it would reward clubs who are run well, not just clubs who bring in a load of money but are terribly run in the background.

A salary cap would help a lot I think. Wages have gone mad and if TV money ever goes pop some,ahem, massive clubs would go pop very quickly

 

[Magicpole]

I agree with everything you say in that post
Your post has really gone a long way to giving this situation some perspective and putting my head straight.
Thanks for taking the time and trouble to write it.

You're welcome. And thank you for not accepting the plan. You did us all a turn. Your club today is actually stronger in the eyes of supporters everywhere who know who any club is.

 

[Summerbuzz]

As a general shake up I hope this works well for City in many ways.

I'm pretty optimistic that having the fans defend the club is a win for everyone involved. We've a habit of being far too needy with the owners. I'm optimistic because I felt the heirachy were needy with Pep, but that was effectively sorted it out earlier this year. And we're that much stronger because of it.

You can never trust anyone totally to always act with your interests. They are yours. Yours to decide, yours to advertise, yours to work towards. If someone oversteps the boundary - shout and scream. Let them know. Defend yourself. Get some pride back. We're not children.

And equally, no one is always 'the one enemy'. These people's lives and minds are a lot more complicated than that.

These are human distortions of reality that come from childish ways of thinking. And doesn't being a football fan make you feel like a child? They know that. The media and players and everyone else is playing on it constantly. But we're not children. Act like a smart confident child and say no, and don't place your trust in a leader like a helpless child, or protect your childish self by creating a false enemy. Think like an adult, who knows we can push a lie like it's the truth, and it might feel good, but ultimately that makes our grasp on life weaker when it matters.

And tell the parasites they can't fool you. Whenever they try to get you to do it - ignore them.

And then we'll take the power back.

 

[Cheeky Txiki]

 

[M12Blue]

The wages they receive are indeed part of the problem but the biggest part of the problem lies with clubs who are spending money they haven't and won't get. When they fail to get into 'moneyed' competitions their problems loom large - Real, Barca, the two Milan teams, and Juve haven't a pot between them in which to urinate, MANUre are debt-ridden but claim it is 'manageable (LOL) and so their boards are desperately looking for any fuckin' goose that lays golden eggs.

Agree, but we are completely complicit in the wages situation, regardless of whether we can or can't afford it.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

If this thread proves anything, it’s that fan ownership of our club would be a disaster. There appears to be a large body of blues who believe that they are smarter than our owners and their advisors. Notwithstanding the virtue signalling, the moralistic preening, the rush to victim status, the refusal to acknowledge they can be wrong and their indecent haste to condemn the best owners a club can have, they expect us to believe that they knew, but our owners were oblivious that;

• There would be a huge outcry.
• That we were getting into bed with thoroughly treacherous people notwithstanding that those very people were explicitly condemned by Khaldoon as carrying out an orchestrated campaign against the club and having an unsustainable business model
• That the terms of the ESL were preferential to, and, indeed amounted to a financial lifebelt, to the very people who sought to destroy us
• That they could not be trusted not to eject us as soon as the competition was up and running thereby achieving their aim of destroying us completely
• That we were the king-makers in all this. That whichever way we jumped doomed the other side to extinction.

Yup, all that passed our owners by and they made a colossal “misjudgement” which requires them to apologise and us to “forgive” them.

The fact that the real enemies of football have been exposed in all their naked shame, the fact that so many of their representatives on influential football bodies have bitten the dust, the fact that a threat which has been hanging over football for 30 years has been thoroughly trashed, banished and consigned to history, the fact that we now have some real clout at UEFA is all coincidental.

If only we'd just said "no"

The truth is always somewhere in between. Our owners are very smart but given we’ve not had a left back for 3 years or so they don’t think of everything ;-)

 

[I'm With Stupid]

The wages they receive are indeed part of the problem but the biggest part of the problem lies with clubs who are spending money they haven't and won't get. When they fail to get into 'moneyed' competitions their problems loom large - Real, Barca, the two Milan teams, and Juve haven't a pot between them in which to urinate, MANUre are debt-ridden but claim it is 'manageable (LOL) and so their boards are desperately looking for any fuckin' goose that lays golden eggs.

I mean I agree with you, but when was the last time that Madrid, Barca or Juve missed a Champions League? So it's not as if they can blame their failure to qualify for spending more than they earn. It's just bad management. Incredible that a club can sell a player for over 200 million and still end up in massive debt.

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

It’s nowhere near as bad as you think.

It’s only on any past five years rolling on each year.

So clubs like Arsenal, and even Liverpool (who’ve spent 7 years outside the Top4 since City were taken over), Inter, Milan, even United who’ve also spent 4 years in the last 9 outside the Top4; are actually hindered by this rule if they keep underperforming!

It will reward clubs like Atalanta and Leicester if they keep doing well. A good five years from both clubs will see them benefit from this at the expense of the old G14.

cheers PC

Fingers crossed the red tops keep under-performing then : )

 

[M18CTID]

There is no legitimate reason that would excuse the club from betraying the fans, the fact so many are concocting fairytales as a way of trying to offer City an excuse shows there isn't one.

I understand the deep rooted desire to defend the club, to want to believe they care about us, of course I do, I want that too but the decision to sign up to that showed they are no different from the rest, they couldn't give a shit and anybody dreaming up elaborate spy novel stories of masterplans to bring down rival teams needs to just step back for a second think about what they're actually saying and realise how utterly ridiculous it really is.

City sold us out just like the others. In a way City and Chelsea owners fucked the fans over the most because there wasn't even a desperation to do so like there was for other clubs

Believe me, I don't disagree but I - and everybody else presumably - want an explanation from the powers that be at the club as to why they signed off on this.

Your last paragraph sums it up. You would expect it from the red shirted clubs, and also from Spurs as they always seem to follow the money (although deluded fans of all those clubs will try and still claim City and Chelsea are worse than their clubs), but us and Chelsea jumping on the bandwagon is staggering. Talk about misreading the fucking room!

 

[doobyedoobye]

I don't believe for one minute City would publish or leak any story that actually explained exactly what went on, but the idea we were pushed into a corner at the last minute with no prior knowledge sounds like fantasy to me

 

[Levyblue]

And to think.. if it wasn't for a horse called "Rock of Gibralter" then none of this would have happened.