jayfx
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blueprint said:
Come again! Is this Latin?
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The three stars
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Come again! Is this Latin?
johnny crossan
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from an earlier thread on this subject <a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=113589&hilit=badge&start=70" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=1&t=113589&hilit=badge&start=70</a>Mëtal Bikër said:I think City bought those rights back in 2009, IICR someone saying on here a while back.
Gary James said:Badges are a nightmare issue because we all have views based on our first love of City or our first strong memory of glory. The history of our badges is covered in most of the books I've written but here's a brief review:
- White cross worn in 1884-5
- No badge worn on shirts other than selected cup finals until 1970-71 season
- In the 1950s (possibly earlier, but I have evidence from 1959) City were already using a round badge as the official emblem of the Club
- That badge was similar to the red rose badge of the late 70s-90s but instead of a rose it had the 3 yellow lines on a maroon/red background from the Manchester coat of arms, and blue/yellow/gold colours were used to highlight the City name.
- On 29th January 1972 City announced a new 'Trading Symbol' (their words at the time - we'd go mad if anyone called it that today!). It was registered on 18/01/72.
- That trading symbol was the red rose badge.
- By the time Franny Lee took over the rights to the badge had been sold by Peter Swales
- To regain some control Franny Lee & JD Sports worked together to create the current badge. Designed I believe by Mike Peek (I apologise if I've got this wrong) with the best intentions; I know he went to great lengths to try and capture elements of Manchester's history (all elements apart from the stars do tie into Manchester's history). The (latin) motto (which we all seem to love) came from this design and had never previously played any part in City's history.
- City did not wear any badge at all in 1904 FA Cup final or 1970 ECWC final
- City wore the Manchester coat of arms in the 1926, 1933, 1934, 1955,1956, 1969, 1981 FA Cup finals and in 1970, 1974, 1976 League Cup finals and in 1986 FMC final. It was also worn on League shirts for a season or so in the late 70s.
Today, Manchester council own the Coat Of Arms, and MCFC own the current badge plus a version of the red rose badge (hence its use on some merchandise). So any comments about City not owning copyright to this are no longer true (I believe City got them back in 2003).
There's a Government website that allows anyone to search on trade marks -www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm Have a look at the ones registered by City and by United (they've registered things like 'Pride of the North' as a Trade Mark!)
Of all MCFC badges (not the coat of arms) the early 70s (pre red rose) is the one that we first selected as our badge and it lasted from 1950s to 1971. It was certainly on match progs and the like during our most successful era. During the Red Rose badge era we only won one major trophy.
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Been looking for a mug with this old crest on for years also
My Mrs got me one, it's a collage of old photographs, ticket stubs and stuff. The badge it's self is prominent but not that big. I think she got it from the club shop last Xmas, not sure if they are still available or exactly what you are looking for?
blueprint said:In my previous posts I mentioned this season Mancini has especially Silva soaring like an EAGLE instead of saddling him down with turkey/s.
Our fluidity (as per Dax77 jargon ) in the midfield (Silva, Yaya, Barry, Milner, Nasri) providing dynamic defense & offensive power in tandem with our lethal strikers has enabled City to go on a scoring and winning spree.
Lest we forget our 3 strikers capped of our winnings with goals galore at WHL and at Old Toilet.
Our backs (Micah, Clichy, Kolarov et al) too has really 'spread their wings'!
The Three (3) Stars then to represent our Stroika (Aguero, Dzeko & Super Mario).
Our badge with its symbols very apt & fitting then. No?
Yes the badge with its 3 stripes & ship is to represent our past and present (3 rivers & City of Manchester & its denizens or fans).
Didn't Noel exclaimed "what the fuck has an Eagle got to do with Manchester?"
For us to forge a winning culture and glorious future then my suggestion of what the 3 stars and the Eagle should represent.
Our blueprint for the future.
Isn't that what we are doing? Welcoming our owner (and Mancini et al with his dynamic or fluid football ) with his new blueprint which will augurs well for MCFC. Or would you prefer to dwell in the past and be parochial? Then discussing about the eagle and its 3 stars symbology is moot then.
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EddieR
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oakiecokie said:riggymcfc123 said:Right, I'll probably get accused of being a Rag on a fishing trip here, but its a serious question!
Now i know that when our badge was re-designed back in the 90's, the three 'decorative stars' above were added to give the badge a more 'european feel', but in recent years stars above the badge has come to represent the number of times a club has been crowned european champions.
We're not the only club to have them for decorative reasons and some clubs who have won the european cup don't bother with them so i suppose its a matter of taste really!
Now if we continue to make progress at the rate we are at the moment then its not beyond possibility that we could actualy win the champs league ourselves in the not too distant future!
So here's my question, if we were to win it, what would we do with the stars above our badge?
Would we...
A, Remove two of them?
B, Add another above the three?
C, Leave it as it is?
Any thoughts?
In our case the 3 stars represents the 3 rivers within Manchester !!
I kid you not.
What, as well as the three stripes representing the rivers?
Lord Blue
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the holy trinity ?
Kinkys Left Foot
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I've posted on this subject a few times on various forums as I know a fair bit about this stuff.
A lot of clubs changed their club crests following the findings of the high court in a case brought by Arsenal football club against a market trader selling merchandise outside the ground (Highbury at the time)
It rumbled on for years (During which time most clubs acted on the intermediary findings) but the bottom line was that most clubs had not registered their crests as official trade marks.(Thereby controlling their use and making revenue from their application - these findings were subject of appeal) Due to that fact and that these crests had been in general circulation for donkeys years they were now not able to be trade marked and were considered "Badges of allegiance" and fair game to be copied ad infinitum on unregistered and unofficial merchandise.
It is apparent there is no going back though - although as some have said the roundel will always represent to me my earliest days of following city and Maine Road, my pin badge adorned every set of clothing I wore during these years.
For a comprehensive look for those interested http://www.ipo.gov.uk/ipcass/ipcass-dcats/ipcass-arsenal.htm
A lot of clubs changed their club crests following the findings of the high court in a case brought by Arsenal football club against a market trader selling merchandise outside the ground (Highbury at the time)
It rumbled on for years (During which time most clubs acted on the intermediary findings) but the bottom line was that most clubs had not registered their crests as official trade marks.(Thereby controlling their use and making revenue from their application - these findings were subject of appeal) Due to that fact and that these crests had been in general circulation for donkeys years they were now not able to be trade marked and were considered "Badges of allegiance" and fair game to be copied ad infinitum on unregistered and unofficial merchandise.
It is apparent there is no going back though - although as some have said the roundel will always represent to me my earliest days of following city and Maine Road, my pin badge adorned every set of clothing I wore during these years.
For a comprehensive look for those interested http://www.ipo.gov.uk/ipcass/ipcass-dcats/ipcass-arsenal.htm
JoeMercer'sWay
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as the new badge is my generation I like it.
I think people who clamour for the old badge to return are the same lot who say life was better back in the 70s etc., romantic memories, would look ridiculously out of place nowadays.
Besides I like the gold and blue, nice combo.
I think people who clamour for the old badge to return are the same lot who say life was better back in the 70s etc., romantic memories, would look ridiculously out of place nowadays.
Besides I like the gold and blue, nice combo.
Mikecini said:Been looking for a mug with this old crest on for years also
My Mrs got me one, it's a collage of old photographs, ticket stubs and stuff. The badge it's self is prominent but not that big. I think she got it from the club shop last Xmas, not sure if they are still available or exactly what you are looking for?
I am just looking for the which i had many moons ago with just a big crest on it and nothing else. I prefer my city stuff to be more conservative looking if you know what i mean.
Keep hoping that they will sell them again soon but not holding my breath.
Also i wish they would make them dishwasher safe!