The Title Race 2022/23

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M18CTID said:
I've just posted this in the Arsenal thread. It's not that I don't have faith in us going on a decent run of wins, but moreso - barring Arsenal going on a shit run between now and when we play them - that we're going to be playing even more catch-up than now due to rearranged fixtures:

Sounds like they made light work of Fulham yesterday. I think it's going to be a really tough ask for us now. Don't get me wrong, a 5 point gap when we still have to play them at home isn't insurmountable by any means but even if we match them point for point until that game, we could well be 11 points behind them come kick-off due to our involvement in the FA Cup. We're already playing one less game than them before the Arsenal fixture as a result of the West Ham home game being postponed and if we get past Burnley at the weekend it'll be 2 less as Brighton away will need to be rearranged too. I'd sooner have points in the bag than games in hand as the very real prospect of us being 11 points behind with 2 games in hand will give them added confidence. In those circumstances, they won't need to take too many risks against us and a draw will be a great result for them.
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You ignore a number of factors. Winning a Premier League for the first time is difficult for any team, but Arsenal are particularly young. The jelly legs will kick in but that’s not saying they can’t overcome it. Also, there’s the dynamic of what teams they face might be playing for, relegation, Europe etc. Plenty of twists and turns yet.
 
M18CTID said:
I've just posted this in the Arsenal thread. It's not that I don't have faith in us going on a decent run of wins, but moreso - barring Arsenal going on a shit run between now and when we play them - that we're going to be playing even more catch-up than now due to rearranged fixtures:

Sounds like they made light work of Fulham yesterday. I think it's going to be a really tough ask for us now. Don't get me wrong, a point gap when we still have to play them at home isn't insurmountable by any means but even if we match them point for point until that game, we could well be 11 points behind them come kick-off due to our involvement in the FA Cup. We're already playing one less game than them before the Arsenal fixture as a result of the West Ham home game being postponed and if we get past Burnley at the weekend it'll be 2 less as Brighton away will need to be rearranged too. I'd sooner have points in the bag than games in hand as the very real prospect of us being 11 points behind with 2 games in hand will give them added confidence. In those circumstances, they won't need to take too many risks against us and a draw will be a great result for them.
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MC 18 it’s me in another thread !

Arsenal did indeed make light work of Fulham but the week before they struggled like hell against Bournemouth and indeed Sporting.

I watch every Arsenal game hoping they loose. Perhaps that says something about me but I detest their almost sense of entitlement something that we both have witnessed.

The difference between you and them is that you have been there and seen it all and the depth in quality as opposed to just numbers of your squad compared to them is a country mile apart. Their first 11 is very good but the back ups fail some distance short.
My bag of a fag packet cal are you will return to top spot by or upon you gaining 3 points from your game against Fulham at the end of April
 
BringBackSwales said:
If we need to win at Brentford I’d back us to do it. Have these last 5 or 6 years not proved anything to you regarding our ability to win titles?
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Every time in the last ten years we've had to do the business on the last day we've done it. Every single one. We've made a bit of a meal of it at times — 2012, 2022! — but we've done it. Not worried about that final match.
But we've got to be within touching distance on that last day. I think we can do it, and as I've said elsewhere, Anfield and St James's Park away are both very thorny fixtures for Arsenal. But they do look good, and anyone who thinks they're just going to collapse is living in delusion land.
We'll see. Interesting season, anyway. Enjoying it…
 
Still nowhere near over yet. It's a 1 game difference, we're just waiting for them to slip up in 1 game.

We have to assume that we're going into our game against them wanting to win, we've schooled them twice already this season.

If they only lose to us and win the rest then they finish on 96 points and we can't knock them for that.


We need to beat Liverpool and then that puts them under ridiculous pressure. They will be going into Anfield wanting to win, a draw (in their eyes) might not be enough. Anfield is a dangerous place to go when you need/want to win, as United found out. Same with St James' Park and Chelsea being a local rivalry would love to piss Arsenal off.
 
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
Every time in the last ten years we've had to do the business on the last day we've done it. Every single one. We've made a bit of a meal of it at times — 2012, 2022! — but we've done it. Not worried about that final match.
But we've got to be within touching distance on that last day. I think we can do it, and as I've said elsewhere, Anfield and St James's Park away are both very thorny fixtures for Arsenal. But they do look good, and anyone who thinks they're just going to collapse is living in delusion land.
We'll see. Interesting season, anyway. Enjoying it…
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I don't think anyone is thinking they will collapse. We literally need then to draw one game and we beat them at ours. Then all we have to do is match their results. I think they drop points at anfield and Newcastle. I also wouldn't rule out a shock drop against a Brighton or something.... I think there's many twists yet
 
Big week anyway, we need Arsenal to knock Sporting out this week.

Looking at the fixtures, Arsenal drawing United in the quarter-final (or semi-final) would be absolutely ideal:
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MCFC1993 said:
Big week anyway, we need Arsenal to knock Sporting out this week.

Looking at the fixtures, Arsenal drawing United in the quarter-final (or semi-final) would be absolutely ideal:
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I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if Arsenal go out to Sporting this week. And if I was in their shoes that would probably be my preferred option. There are echoes of 2012 when we went out of the Europa against the same opposition and none of us were too fussed as we could concentrate on the title race. One big difference to now was that the rags were also in the EL and went out at the same stage as us.
I’ve said earlier it in this thread but it can’t be stressed how important it is (should we get past Leipzig) that we get a kind draw in the CL - it potentially takes pressure off league games and hopefully allows a bit more squad rotation.
 
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
Every time in the last ten years we've had to do the business on the last day we've done it. Every single one. We've made a bit of a meal of it at times — 2012, 2022! — but we've done it. Not worried about that final match.
But we've got to be within touching distance on that last day. I think we can do it, and as I've said elsewhere, Anfield and St James's Park away are both very thorny fixtures for Arsenal. But they do look good, and anyone who thinks they're just going to collapse is living in delusion land.
We'll see. Interesting season, anyway. Enjoying it…
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I still think they may collapse.. I know people are saying they won’t based on recent results but it’s a whole different game when you get to the business end of the season. If we’re still within 5 points with 4 games to go i would still fancy us
 
50/50 now give or take. 5 points is fuck all, and neither the players nor Pep look like they've given up anything.

Says a lot about our form of recent years that a five point lead is what you need to be considered a coin toss coming into the final turn. (Still don't think we're in the "run-in" but we are coming up to it).

The only thing I care about now is not letting them off the hook. If we do lose the league I'd like to take it to the final game or two. Make them sweat and work for it. Let's see if they do have the bottle. If they do we shake their hand, see what other silverware we can pick up, and go again next season.
 
Fulham tried their best to make sure Arsenal don't slip up yesterday. They were awful.
 
BamberBridgeBlue said:
You ignore a number of factors. Winning a Premier League for the first time is difficult for any team, but Arsenal are particularly young. The jelly legs will kick in but that’s not saying they can’t overcome it. Also, there’s the dynamic of what teams they face might be playing for, relegation, Europe etc. Plenty of twists and turns yet.
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I agree and as we've been here before, we know how to manage the back end of a season.

I do think that whoever wins the game between us will have the psychological advantage though.
 
Nethermoor said:
Fulham tried their best to make sure Arsenal don't slip up yesterday. They were awful.
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The league is gonna do their best to keep the 5pt lead for us at minimum. They want to bill the CITY VS ARSENAL game as the game of the season. They cant sell it if we run away with it now or are already out of the race.
 
Theengelbert said:
I still think they may collapse.. I know people are saying they won’t based on recent results but it’s a whole different game when you get to the business end of the season. If we’re still within 5 points with 4 games to go i would still fancy us
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They still have Partey and Jesus to come back. Their bench is good quality too with Smith Rowe, Nketiah and Tierney. this is a very talented Arsenal team who fight to the end with a perfectionist at the helm very much like us. I just hope they have a little wobble maybe a draw or two to let us have a chance to capitalize.
 
Talk of Arsenal capitulating is fanciful, but they don’t need to capitulate. They could lose to us, win nine and draw one of their remaining games and we could win it. We’ve certainly done that before. And any team that gets more than 90 points (as we both would in that scenario) deserves commending. They’ve been brilliant so far and have made the run in interesting.

We can’t win it every year, and if we get 90+ points (which cannot ever be characterised as a bad season) and are pipped by this exciting young Arsenal team then fucking fair play to them. They will have deserved it.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Talk of Arsenal capitulating is fanciful, but they don’t need to capitulate. They could lose to us, win nine and draw one of their remaining games and we could win it. We’ve certainly done that before. And any team that gets more than 90 points (as we both would in that scenario) deserves commending. They’ve been brilliant so far and have made the run in interesting.

We can’t win it every year, and if we get 90+ points (which cannot ever be characterised as a bad season) and are pipped by this exciting young Arsenal team then fucking fair play to them. They will have deserved it.
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Now a two horse race I think, and it will go right down to the wire. Plenty of points at stake and I think we’ll do it. If we fail, they will be worthy champions, but I’m fairly confident.
 
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