The Tottenham Thread (Merged)

stonerblue said:
josh_spurs said:
A reliable source on twitter, well a spurs insider to be exact has said that Spurs will be bought by company AEG with Levy staying on as chairman. The new stadium will also go ahead as planned. AEG will give us (according to the insider) a nice big heap of cash for wages and players. This also happens as Mourinho coming out and saying after being asked (according to SSN) about Spurs he said he has a "soft spot" for them. With Mourinho seemingly wanting out of Madrid and Redknapp potentially going to jail and if not maybe England job, could AEG bring enough funds to tempt Mourinho to WHL? Also Leandro Damiao is edging ever closer to WHL from Internacional. It also helps with the fact Thayer have 1st choice on their players.

Now I'm not coming on here saying Mourinho to Spurs etc,, I just thought it would be appropriate for the Spurs thread.


Thayer = that we*
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Oh for fucks sake.............
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Problem?!
 
FrostyNRG said:
It somewhat astounds me that people can't have a (actually quite interesting) discussion without resorting to snide retorts and point scoring.
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You start well.

FrostyNRG said:
Chelsea was a play thing for Roman, and there seemed to be a genuine belief that some success (that may be prolonged, but equally may be relatively short term) would greatly increase the profile/worldwide attraction/fanbase of the club.
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And quickly get snide. Oh well.
 
FrostyNRG said:
It somewhat astounds me that people can't have a (actually quite interesting) discussion without resorting to snide retorts and point scoring. Actually, it doesn't astound me at all, that's what football fans do of course - blindly argue and always think their club and everything about it is right.

It would just be nice to see rational discussion with people taking their blinkers off to be honest.

As a Spurs fan on a MCFC forum, I'll start with a point that backs up what *some* of the City fans have been saying here. There is absolutely no comparison between (IMO) between what Abramovic did/does at Chelsea and what the MC owners have done/are doing at City. Chelsea was a play thing for Roman, and there seemed to be a genuine belief that some success (that may be prolonged, but equally may be relatively short term) would greatly increase the profile/worldwide attraction/fanbase of the club. There is no doubt that Chelsea have more fans now than they had pre Roman but it is fair to say there is a massive doubt as to whether those fans stick around if the club stops experiencing success. Which, of course, is very true for any club. The longer you have sustained success for, the longer the fans will stick around (see Liverpool) but ultimately, successful clubs breed fans in the long run. Chelsea have nowhere near the worldwide appeal of MUFC or LFC and won't unless they can dominate the English game for a prolonged period. Some clubs have a history that is still prevalent and that "earns" them a profile around the world.


MCFC equally have nothing like the worldwide profile of those clubs mentioned (and please take profile in the sense that really matters, forget about the fact that the club is being talked about a lot because of what is going on there). And, of course, nor do Tottenham. There has always been a certain something about the club that attracts people despite the relative lack of success but that is relatively small scale in the grand scheme of things. However, if one was to (objectively) compare what the owners of MCFC *appear* to have planned for the club, it is with a far more long term view than CFC ever had. Whether it ends up being successful is anyones guess, but give me the Sheikh (and his advisors) over Roman any day of the week. FFP is clearly a consideration for MCFC - and I don't think anyone would deny they can't continue to do what they've done in the last couple of years - but they seem to have considered that, hence the rapid investment in a short period rather than trying to do it more slowly. They've put the money in, they've got some work to do to make the club self sustaining but they do at least appear to have plans to do so. Personally, I think the OWNERS (not necessarily by association the fans) deserve at least a modicum of respect. For me, the MCFC fans (well a good chunk of them at least) earned some respect for their loyalty/attitude when they suffered their drop through the divisions. I don't begrudge them what they have, and can openly admit I wish we were top of the league right now!

Equally, I don't any MCFC fan should disregard the notion that fans of another team (such as Spurs) are proud of the way they have kept vaguely in contention without massive external investment. The fact that I'm proud of Spurs performance (so far) this season, doesn't automatically make me a bitter fan that is resentful of what MCFC has achieved (and yes, it is an achievement so far) and how they have done it. Give me the choice between second place with a self sustaining model and first place with external investment and I'll take first place thanks very much. I defy the fan of any club to say "thanks, but no thanks" to someone willing to improve the playing staff, management and infrastructure of their club. It is not "cheating" - it's just bloody annoying. I wish MCFC hadn't been bought out because (all other things being equal) we'd have been in the CL this year and would be genuine title contenders right now. We're not either and we have to deal with it. I'm still proud of my club, and I still yearn for more.

So much more to say, but that's far too long a post anyway!
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I think that at times the media have over blown your trumpet, but that's hardly Spurs fault, or the fans fault. Of the established Premiership clubs I can think of just 3 clubs which have made a leap forward: City, Spurs and Newcastle.
 
I don't really see how you can consider that snide. That was absolutely the belief of Chelsea management. I'm sure I could pull up some quotes from Chelsea execs that basically said exactly that - that success on the field would lead to a bigger fan base and increased revenues.

And in terms of CFC being a play thing for RA; that might be a slightly unfortunate use of words but even the most ardent Chelsea fan (certainly among the ones I know) would not suggest that RA has been heavily involved in the commercial aspects of the business and has prepared anything resembling a sustainable for the future. Its in no way a dig at the club of the fans, merely highlighting the different approaches.
 
@Marvin - I hear that a lot, that Spurs are the darlings of the press. That might be true more recently, but it certainly wasn't the case for many a year. The sight of the cracked Spurs crest in the back pages of the red tops was all too common a sight! Frankly, the media's perception and reporting of my club (both now and in the past) doesn't really register with me. That said, I do remember being constantly annoyed with the press when they were constantly praising a certain Frenchman's approach to football and how his team played the game the right way.
 
FrostyNRG said:
I don't really see how you can consider that snide. That was absolutely the belief of Chelsea management. I'm sure I could pull up some quotes from Chelsea execs that basically said exactly that - that success on the field would lead to a bigger fan base and increased revenues.

And in terms of CFC being a play thing for RA; that might be a slightly unfortunate use of words but even the most ardent Chelsea fan (certainly among the ones I know) would not suggest that RA has been heavily involved in the commercial aspects of the business and has prepared anything resembling a sustainable for the future. Its in no way a dig at the club of the fans, merely highlighting the different approaches.
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Its always amusing to me when other fans, and particularly the media, talk about Abramovich's motives, considering nobody even knows what his voice sounds like because he's never given an interview in his life. I love him personally, because he loves the club. Abramovich is a ridiculously wealthy football fan, who decided to buy a club. If you were a billionaire and could afford anything you wanted, I'm sure you'd buy Spurs and fulfil your wildest dreams.

Clearly Roman didn't buy a club as a commercial project to promote other interests as is the case with City. But the investment he's made has been far reaching, both on a global and local scale. I doubt these fans from Asia or Africa would be posting about the possibility of us signing Hazard on Goal.com had Roman not made said investments. He built a football museum, Cobham of course, a host of youth talent promotion schemes locally, the whole strategy to improve the global fan base (did you assume that just happened over night?), now the new Stadium since SB can't be expanded.

I'm proud of what he's achieved here and how we're developing. We're not far off breaking even ourselves, which people like to deny. Our turnover is consistently higher than Arsenal's, just behind Bayern's and we've yet to move into our new stadium and exploit a naming rights deal. When that happens we'll be in a pretty healthy position. Comparable to the plans City's owners have? Probably not, but a healthy position none the less.

And who couldn't be proud of an owner who shows up at a local bar in NY while he's on business to watch a midweek league tie against Bolton and buy everyone a round? I think you should be asking questions of whoever was in charge at Spurs when the fax came through looking for a meeting in 2003, which was ignored.

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