Gündogan's worse games are when he plays deeper with Rodri or Fernandinho. Not everything has to be reliant on pace. In fact, when Fernandinho was injured season before. Gündogan was the lone DM who helped us go on an unbeaten run to secure 98 points and win over Liverpool. Short term memory it seems tho.
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Thiago Alcantara
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He would be an upgrade on whom tho? He cannot replace David, certainly not Rodri, and Gündogan already knows the system so why take a player of the same age out for another one who's considerably more injury prone? Let alone impossible because he just signed a new deal for us.
He'd be better than both Rodri and Gundogan mate. Rodri may get there in time, but Gundogan is not the player Thiago is. We're talking about a guy who's just come off a season playing at the base of the midfield for the European champions.
Okay and he'll never be, so what? Gündogan can still offer us more than enough for our midfield requirements, there's a reason pep values him in the squad. But people are convinced they know more and Gündogan is the problem. You cannot have world class options in every position.He'd be better than both Rodri and Gundogan mate. Rodri may get there in time, but Gundogan is not the player Thiago is.
Thiago is great but Ferna will be replaced in a year. Foden and Gundogan are both as good as Thiago if not better. We don’t need him.
Why is this thread even active? Is it that interesting to talk about a player that belongs to Liverpool?
Gundogan has a silky touch, amazing passes and can play with both feet. He’s a smart footballer. No need to bring in Thiago who would be another Gundogan.
If Gundo was so shit, then he would not play in the German team basically all of their important games. Fuck me he usually shines in his national team.
Let me tell you, if Gundogan had played at Bayern and now became available for 30m, Liverpool would be all over him probably.
Jurgen knows there’s no point in approaching us for him.
No chance. Gundogan can't run to save himself anymore and wouldn't last two seconds in that Liverpool midfield press.
The evidence is before you guys. Don't know why you're trying to fool everyone by saying it isn't.
We are also talking about a player who's never played a full season, is always injured. When Pep was at Bayern, in both his CL campaigns he was heavily reliant on Thiago but his injury halted his plans both times. Same could happen to Liverpool, it just happens to be that because of COVID and a delayed start Thiago was able to be fit and ready again. He is no more than 20 games a season player, yes he will obviously turn up with quality because it comes to him naturally but I would not want to rely on him over an existing squad member of a similar profile, who knows manager's demands and is aware of the team/settled. Literally no point in even going for Thiago.He'd be better than both Rodri and Gundogan mate. Rodri may get there in time, but Gundogan is not the player Thiago is. We're talking about a guy who's just come off a season playing at the base of the midfield for the European champions.
Can guarantee you not a single time has the midfield been problematic or to blame for our loss in a CL knockout game. it's always the backline or missing chances. World class options are okay if attainable and if they make sense. Neither was the case here, he only wanted Liverpool, and did not make sense for us. Easy as that.You absolutely need to have world class options in that position if you want to win the CL. Unless an ageing Dinho plays there, we don't have that.
bumbleblue
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Am fed up with everyone slagging our players and those we are linked with , then suddenly players signed by our rivals are the dogs bollock.
He is a snivelling dipper cockslap now,fuck him.
He is a snivelling dipper cockslap now,fuck him.
Del_Bosque
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Some of you lads need to get a firm grip. It is a good buy and will make them stronger but why trash Gundo and Rodri?
It will be a difficult task to claim back the title but it is not impossible. However, it appears some appear ready to give up without a fight.
Because they play in the same position and it’s one of our weak points?
surely you can see moving one of them 2 on and getting Thiago in would have made us stronger?
Can guarantee you not a single time has the midfield been problematic or to blame for our loss in a CL knockout game. it's always the backline or missing chances. World class options are okay if attainable and if they make sense. Neither was the case here, he only wanted Liverpool, and did not make sense for us. Easy as that.
You're delusional. Our problems start and end in the midfield. What you're seeing are merely symptoms of a problem, not the problem itself.
I think it's really interesting that Klopp wanted Werner and Thiago. Adding those 2 in makes them much more conventional and really changes the shape they'd play in.
Their normal shape is almost a 334 with Fabinho in between the CB's, Firmino in midfield, Salah and Mane through the middle as strikers, and the fullbacks playing as wingers.
You can't do that with Werner and Thiago - Werner can't play in midfield like Firmino and Thiago isn't going to delegate the creativity to Robertson and Alexander-Arnold. I wonder if Klopp's looking to change things fairly significantly going forwards.
Anyway he's a world class player, shame he went to them.
Their normal shape is almost a 334 with Fabinho in between the CB's, Firmino in midfield, Salah and Mane through the middle as strikers, and the fullbacks playing as wingers.
You can't do that with Werner and Thiago - Werner can't play in midfield like Firmino and Thiago isn't going to delegate the creativity to Robertson and Alexander-Arnold. I wonder if Klopp's looking to change things fairly significantly going forwards.
Anyway he's a world class player, shame he went to them.
Even Klopp is constantly thinking of tweaking his system. They aren't the same side heavily reliant on gegenpress as they were even two seasons ago. You really think Thiago will lead the press? He's being brought in for a different option that allows more control and not having to rely on 3 midfielders running at opposition to recover ball. Makes a lot of sense for Klopp and Liverpool to get his signature. He doesn't belong anywhere else in Prem. Also it would be interesting how he tackles physicality and pace of this league. One off games are okay but a full season is the only true test in Prem. Not a lot can pass it.
manimanc
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German manager sells player to other German manager and ex bayern boss doesn’t come into the equation unfortunately.Excellent at what? Passing the ball sideways at snails pace? Jogging slowly to get back into position? Making defensive mistakes?
Without Dinho playing there we've got no world class quality. This is a signing we should've absolutely jumped all over, but have barely seems to touch.
Pretty straightforward if you ask me, do you not think Bernardo, foden, kdb, Rodri, gundog will do a similar if not better job?
I think it's really interesting that Klopp wanted Werner and Thiago. Adding those 2 in makes them much more conventional and really changes the shape they'd play in.
Their normal shape is almost a 334 with Fabinho in between the CB's, Firmino in midfield, Salah and Mane through the middle as strikers, and the fullbacks playing as wingers.
You can't do that with Werner and Thiago - Werner can't play in midfield like Firmino and Thiago isn't going to delegate the creativity to Robertson and Alexander-Arnold. I wonder if Klopp's looking to change things fairly significantly going forwards.
Anyway he's a world class player, shame he went to them.
Was thinking along the same lines, Klopp has to adapt to accommodate Thiago, hopefully it fucks them up.
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Never wanted him anyway.
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We will have legs in midfield and Gündogan won't play 38 games. Lesser issue as of now. Fernandinho I'm sure will be an option in there as well. I would accept that Rodri has sort of bought an imbalance to the midfield in terms of legs, but Gündogan is far from the problem.You're delusional. Our problems start and end in the midfield. What you're seeing are merely symptoms of a problem, not the problem itself.
German manager sells player to other German manager and ex bayern boss doesn’t come into the equation unfortunately.
Pretty straightforward if you ask me, do you not think Bernardo, foden, kdb, Rodri, gundog will do a similar if not better job?
Bernardo, Foden, and KDB are different players who play different positions. They are quality, but shouldn't be compared to Thiago, or Rodri and Gundogan.
Thiago is vastly superior to Rodri at his current level and Gundogan. I had high hopes for Rodri but he's struggling with the pace and mobility required for the role, and Gundogan just flat out sucks. He's a player who's not particularly good at any facet of the game and I'm bewildered as to how a certain sect of fans still argue to the contrary.
Neville Kneville
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Best midfield player in the world according to Kaveh. Shows what massive standing Liverpool have in world football.
I remember he said the same re Messi coming to City.
Oh no sorry. He never mentioned it once & looked like he was chewing a wasp, covered in shit.
I remember he said the same re Messi coming to City.
Oh no sorry. He never mentioned it once & looked like he was chewing a wasp, covered in shit.
Thiago is a number 6, a deep lying playmaker. He doesn't fit our needs at all. He doesn't have enough legs or stamina unless a Fernandinho plays alongside him, even at Bayern it had to be Javi Martinez, Kimmich, and more recently Goretzka to support him. He's not quite the wonder boy to do it all himself, you can acknowledge quality and still realise he's not what we specifically need. As I said, makes more sense for Liverpool
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Is this the same Gundogan that played at the base of our midfield when we won 14 games in a row to seal the title ?No chance. Gundogan can't run to save himself anymore and wouldn't last two seconds in that Liverpool midfield press.
The evidence is before you guys. Don't know why you're trying to fool everyone by saying it isn't.
difference then is we had Vinny and Laporte mopping up everything so ilkay was able to control our tempo and recycle possession
we will see the same next season if we get our centre back pairing right , Rodri will be the beneficiary then or Gundogan again if he has to deputise
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