twinkletoes
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Re: Winter defends Marwood
like Marwood being shown the door.
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like Marwood being shown the door.
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This transfer window/Marwood
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Re: Winter defends Marwood
Your chairman
Your chairman has been amazing and of course he does not deserve criticism, but I feel Marwood is badly advising him. There is a time to stabilise a club. The time is not yet now for City. Now is the time to push on and compete for the CL.
I am not a City fan, but there are a few things which make me think he is doing a poor job.
1. Constantly buying players late in the window. As a businessman he is trying to knock down the price, but this is counter productive in football. It means the player has not got time to gel with the team. The manager does not have time to produce tactics and plans for the player. The selling club might straight up refuse to sell since they have no time to buy a replacement.
2. He has interfered and bought what I call board signings. Now these are players the manager does not really want, but since they play in an area he is looking to strengthen he is forced to accept them. For Hughes, Tevez and Robinho struck me as board signings. Neither of them really fit into the type of player Hughes was going for and often leads to problems. For Mancini it was Dzeko, Milner and Johnson fit the bill. You can tell a board signing, because the manager does not initially have faith in them and struggles to fit them into his plans.
3. He gave a lot of player silly wages. What the hell was Adebayor doing on the 150k or whatever he was on?
4. He seems to be advising the owners that the hard spending is done. This is a season too soon.
I know we all have bias to our players, but the subjective assessment of the City squad here is worrying. Apart from your strikers, who are top class with a nice blend; I think Liverpool could put out an equal second string with you. Sahin, Shelvey, Downing, Henderson, Carroll, Carragher, Coates, Kelly, Sterling, Flannagan Doni not exactly a millions miles away from Pantilimon, Zabaleta, Kolo, Savic, Kolarov, De Jong, Rodwell, Milner, Razak, Balotelli and Dzeko. As said before real class in the attack, but look at the rest of it and honestly tell me it's better than Liverpool?
Your chairman
whipper said:dctid said:If Marwood was deliberatly holding up transfer or in any way acting against their instructions then the owners would do domething about it
They aint so whatever he is doing he is doing in accordance with the full support of the owners or doing as the owners have instructed.
This blame Marwood shit it bollocks
No body knows what the books look like here on this forum and nobody on this forum understand exactly how FFP will work - can i sugges that our transfer dealings to date reflect that our owners and Marwood do know this or at very least best placed to understand the implications of not meeting the FFFP
Exactly
Notice how nobody is blaming the chairman,Marwood is the easy option.Even though he doesn't hold the purse strings
Your chairman has been amazing and of course he does not deserve criticism, but I feel Marwood is badly advising him. There is a time to stabilise a club. The time is not yet now for City. Now is the time to push on and compete for the CL.
I am not a City fan, but there are a few things which make me think he is doing a poor job.
1. Constantly buying players late in the window. As a businessman he is trying to knock down the price, but this is counter productive in football. It means the player has not got time to gel with the team. The manager does not have time to produce tactics and plans for the player. The selling club might straight up refuse to sell since they have no time to buy a replacement.
2. He has interfered and bought what I call board signings. Now these are players the manager does not really want, but since they play in an area he is looking to strengthen he is forced to accept them. For Hughes, Tevez and Robinho struck me as board signings. Neither of them really fit into the type of player Hughes was going for and often leads to problems. For Mancini it was Dzeko, Milner and Johnson fit the bill. You can tell a board signing, because the manager does not initially have faith in them and struggles to fit them into his plans.
3. He gave a lot of player silly wages. What the hell was Adebayor doing on the 150k or whatever he was on?
4. He seems to be advising the owners that the hard spending is done. This is a season too soon.
I know we all have bias to our players, but the subjective assessment of the City squad here is worrying. Apart from your strikers, who are top class with a nice blend; I think Liverpool could put out an equal second string with you. Sahin, Shelvey, Downing, Henderson, Carroll, Carragher, Coates, Kelly, Sterling, Flannagan Doni not exactly a millions miles away from Pantilimon, Zabaleta, Kolo, Savic, Kolarov, De Jong, Rodwell, Milner, Razak, Balotelli and Dzeko. As said before real class in the attack, but look at the rest of it and honestly tell me it's better than Liverpool?
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Re: Winter defends Marwood
Bring on Ferran Soriano ;)twinkletoes said:Danamy said:Marwood's put this story out in the media the same way that Mancini threw his dolls out of his pram with his story, embarrassing and unproffesional on both parts.
We're a business that's evolving and the introduction of Ferran Soriano is the next step on the ladder, he's here to get the books right and take us to the next level, any creases that are found will soon be ironed out that's for sure............
like Marwood being shown the door.
Prestwich_Blue
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Re: Winter defends Marwood
I'm interested to hear why people think Marwood is crap?
Suppose we were in for Hazard and we were quoted £30m & £200k per week plus £6m to his agent. Is he supposed to say "Rightyo. Cash or cheque?" Would that make him "good" at his job?
I suspect we make an approach and hear the price and then decide, between Marwood & Khaldoon, just how much we think we ought to be paying. We know that the owner has a policy of not paying excessive agents' fees and we can also assume we have some sort of wages policy now so that we don't pay anyone who might fancy coming £200k per week without demur.
So if we make an offer and it's refused, beaten by someone else or the player just doesn't fancy it then what exactly is Marwood supposed to do? I'd like to hear from one of the haters what they think he should have done.
I'm interested to hear why people think Marwood is crap?
Suppose we were in for Hazard and we were quoted £30m & £200k per week plus £6m to his agent. Is he supposed to say "Rightyo. Cash or cheque?" Would that make him "good" at his job?
I suspect we make an approach and hear the price and then decide, between Marwood & Khaldoon, just how much we think we ought to be paying. We know that the owner has a policy of not paying excessive agents' fees and we can also assume we have some sort of wages policy now so that we don't pay anyone who might fancy coming £200k per week without demur.
So if we make an offer and it's refused, beaten by someone else or the player just doesn't fancy it then what exactly is Marwood supposed to do? I'd like to hear from one of the haters what they think he should have done.
Mr Ed (The Stables)
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Re: Winter defends Marwood
I agree with him about Kolo and Mario on sunday, I'd have given them both the hook after 15 minutes.....both were dreadful.
lost_n_spaced said:Should this not be renamed 'Winter paid to defend Marwood by Marwood / City hierarchy' ?
I agree with him about Kolo and Mario on sunday, I'd have given them both the hook after 15 minutes.....both were dreadful.
Re: Winter defends Marwood
He'll want his own man in that's for sure.
Marwood and Cook are just like the players we bought 2-3 seasons ago,a stepping stone upto the next level.
Enjoy the ride because I certainly am.
twinkletoes said:Danamy said:Marwood's put this story out in the media the same way that Mancini threw his dolls out of his pram with his story, embarrassing and unproffesional on both parts.
We're a business that's evolving and the introduction of Ferran Soriano is the next step on the ladder, he's here to get the books right and take us to the next level, any creases that are found will soon be ironed out that's for sure............
like Marwood being shown the door.
He'll want his own man in that's for sure.
Marwood and Cook are just like the players we bought 2-3 seasons ago,a stepping stone upto the next level.
Enjoy the ride because I certainly am.
Re: Winter defends Marwood
kolo played only becouse clichy wasnt available , and mario did well for a player without preseason
Mr Ed (The Stables) said:lost_n_spaced said:Should this not be renamed 'Winter paid to defend Marwood by Marwood / City hierarchy' ?
I agree with him about Kolo and Mario on sunday, I'd have given them both the hook after 15 minutes.....both were dreadful.
kolo played only becouse clichy wasnt available , and mario did well for a player without preseason
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Re: Winter defends Marwood
Will give you the example of Milner. I think it is very apparent that Mancini asked for a central midfielder and gave a list of players he would like. Marwood then went and spent 25/6 million odd on Milner. Getting rid of Ireland, who plays in midfield in the swap deal was one indication of this. The last minute deal for Hargeaves also points to this. Mancini then has to make the best out of a bad decision.
Another example is Nasri. Now at the time I remember thinking clearly that there were probably slightly better players than Nasri you could have been in for. However, Mancini had realised the importance of winning the league that year. So he decided to go for Nasri, a player that understood premiership football and could straight away play at a high level. If Nasri was playing abroad I think Mancini may have opted for someone else. However, Marwood spent far too long trying to negotiate the deal. Nasri ended up coming right at the end of the window. Apart from his debut he was largely disappointing for the first half of the season. Luckily you were on fire at the start of the season, but had Silva got injured for a month or too early, then you would have been in real trouble.
These are just two examples, but there are several more.
It's not just the Hazard thing.Prestwich_Blue said:I'm interested to hear why people think Marwood is crap?
Suppose we were in for Hazard and we were quoted £30m & £200k per week plus £6m to his agent. Is he supposed to say "Rightyo. Cash or cheque?" Would that make him "good" at his job?
I suspect we make an approach and hear the price and then decide, between Marwood & Khaldoon, just how much we think we ought to be paying. We know that the owner has a policy of not paying excessive agents' fees and we can also assume we have some sort of wages policy now so that we don't pay anyone who might fancy coming £200k per week without demur.
So if we make an offer and it's refused, beaten by someone else or the player just doesn't fancy it then what exactly is Marwood supposed to do? I'd like to hear from one of the haters what they think he should have done.
Will give you the example of Milner. I think it is very apparent that Mancini asked for a central midfielder and gave a list of players he would like. Marwood then went and spent 25/6 million odd on Milner. Getting rid of Ireland, who plays in midfield in the swap deal was one indication of this. The last minute deal for Hargeaves also points to this. Mancini then has to make the best out of a bad decision.
Another example is Nasri. Now at the time I remember thinking clearly that there were probably slightly better players than Nasri you could have been in for. However, Mancini had realised the importance of winning the league that year. So he decided to go for Nasri, a player that understood premiership football and could straight away play at a high level. If Nasri was playing abroad I think Mancini may have opted for someone else. However, Marwood spent far too long trying to negotiate the deal. Nasri ended up coming right at the end of the window. Apart from his debut he was largely disappointing for the first half of the season. Luckily you were on fire at the start of the season, but had Silva got injured for a month or too early, then you would have been in real trouble.
These are just two examples, but there are several more.
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Just read the thread and surprised no one picked up on this? Can you elaborate a bit more bud?SWP's back said:With good reason.Sky Blue said:The cookie monster said:Yes.
I remember mancinis first press conference well.
Yep, Winter was the worst of the lot. Fucking hyena he was that day.
Re: Winter defends Marwood
It doesn't say a lot for your opinion of our chairman that you think he could be so easily influenced by an employee. Of course, none of us know what Marwood is advising Khaldoon but lets not let that get in the way of a good story.
It seemed to work out OK for us last year. And that's of course if you are counting Milner and Nasri in the past three transfer windows as constantly buying players late in the window.
Do you honestly think that Sheikh Mansour, Khaldoon etc would allow Brian Marwood to pick and choose who we sign. It's just guesswork, and not particularly logical guesswork at that.
Do you know for a fact that Marwood was responsible for Adebayors wages when he was signed. Would have thought that was Garry Cooks job at the time.
Based on what? Again, you're guessing to try and prove your point. I think our owner is a bit smarter than that.
It's better than Liverpool.<br /><br />-- Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:15 pm --<br /><br />
Like who?
And do you seriously think Mancini just asked for a midfielder and was happy to accept who Marwood came back with.
supercrystal7 said:Your chairman has been amazing and of course he does not deserve criticism, but I feel Marwood is badly advising him. There is a time to stabilise a club. The time is not yet now for City. Now is the time to push on and compete for the CL.
It doesn't say a lot for your opinion of our chairman that you think he could be so easily influenced by an employee. Of course, none of us know what Marwood is advising Khaldoon but lets not let that get in the way of a good story.
I am not a City fan, but there are a few things which make me think he is doing a poor job.
1. Constantly buying players late in the window. As a businessman he is trying to knock down the price, but this is counter productive in football. It means the player has not got time to gel with the team. The manager does not have time to produce tactics and plans for the player. The selling club might straight up refuse to sell since they have no time to buy a replacement.
It seemed to work out OK for us last year. And that's of course if you are counting Milner and Nasri in the past three transfer windows as constantly buying players late in the window.
2. He has interfered and bought what I call board signings. Now these are players the manager does not really want, but since they play in an area he is looking to strengthen he is forced to accept them. For Hughes, Tevez and Robinho struck me as board signings. Neither of them really fit into the type of player Hughes was going for and often leads to problems. For Mancini it was Dzeko, Milner and Johnson fit the bill. You can tell a board signing, because the manager does not initially have faith in them and struggles to fit them into his plans.
Do you honestly think that Sheikh Mansour, Khaldoon etc would allow Brian Marwood to pick and choose who we sign. It's just guesswork, and not particularly logical guesswork at that.
3. He gave a lot of player silly wages. What the hell was Adebayor doing on the 150k or whatever he was on?
Do you know for a fact that Marwood was responsible for Adebayors wages when he was signed. Would have thought that was Garry Cooks job at the time.
4. He seems to be advising the owners that the hard spending is done. This is a season too soon.
Based on what? Again, you're guessing to try and prove your point. I think our owner is a bit smarter than that.
I know we all have bias to our players, but the subjective assessment of the City squad here is worrying. Apart from your strikers, who are top class with a nice blend; I think Liverpool could put out an equal second string with you. Sahin, Shelvey, Downing, Henderson, Carroll, Carragher, Coates, Kelly, Sterling, Flannagan Doni not exactly a millions miles away from Pantilimon, Zabaleta, Kolo, Savic, Kolarov, De Jong, Rodwell, Milner, Razak, Balotelli and Dzeko. As said before real class in the attack, but look at the rest of it and honestly tell me it's better than Liverpool?
It's better than Liverpool.<br /><br />-- Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:15 pm --<br /><br />
supercrystal7 said:These are just two examples, but there are several more.
Like who?
And do you seriously think Mancini just asked for a midfielder and was happy to accept who Marwood came back with.