This transfer window/Marwood

[supercrystal7]

Re: Winter defends Marwood

It doesn't say a lot for your opinion of our chairman that you think he could be so easily influenced by an employee. Of course, none of us know what Marwood is advising Khaldoon but lets not let that get in the way of a good story.

Khaldoon is the head of a vast empire. He is a busy man and needs to rely on the information provided from his employees. Even Roman had to learn and he is another excellent businessman. No one really know the whole story, but this is the impression I get.

It seemed to work out OK for us last year. And that's of course if you are counting Milner and Nasri in the past three transfer windows as constantly buying players late in the window.

I don't get this attitude? You won the league with 2 minutes to go. You went out of the CL early. You went out of the FA cup early. Just, because other things you did went well does not mean you don't need to improve. It would be like a Chelsea fan saying well we won the CL and the FA cup last year, it was our greatest ever season so no reason to change the team or improve things.

Do you honestly think that Sheikh Mansour, Khaldoon etc would allow Brian Marwood to pick and choose who we sign. It's just guesswork, and not particularly logical guesswork at that.

Yes I would imagine that they would trust the opinion of a trusted employee on players. Why would they not? It seems fairly valid deductions. Hughes built a team and formation where there was no place for Robinho. A bit odd if he wanted to spend 32 million on him. Hughes wanted a very fast, strong team with good crossers, good in the air. Just take a look at his signigns: SWP, Adebayor, Cruz, Bellamy, Bridge, Lescott, Toure, Barry, Jo and De Jong. Forgetting about quality do those players look like they fit the style of football Robinho likes to play?

Do you know for a fact that Marwood was responsible for Adebayors wages when he was signed. Would have thought that was Garry Cooks job at the time.

Perhaps, hard to know who exactly was at fault, but it was not very good

Based on what? Again, you're guessing to try and prove your point. I think our owner is a bit smarter than that.

Your owners are not football men and have several businesses to run. If things appear to be going fine they will trust the people they have in charge. It appears to me a power struggle is going on and it would be best for the club if Mancini won it.

It's better than Liverpool.

Glad that you think so, but barring the strikers I might take the Liverpool second string. This is Liverpool we are comparing your second string to as well. Not exactly Barcelona, Madrid, Bayern, United or Chelsea.

And do you seriously think Mancini just asked for a midfielder and was happy to accept who Marwood came back with.

Yes, because it is better than going into the season with nothing. Benitez had a great quote about his time at Valencia. He said he asked for a Sofa and they bought him a lamp. Now this was in regards to Sisoko a played he grew to like and even brought to Liverpool. Even guys like Mourinho have had to shut up and take it when their owners have bought guys like Shevchenko or Ancelotti with Luiz.

 

[VOOMER]

Re: Winter defends Marwood

Winter is the archetypal posh boy who thinks his opinion is more imprtant than anybody elses. Reminds me of a public schoolboy (is he related to Cameron in any way) who has been bred to believe they are above or better than other people. Some may say he is a respected voice in journalism, I say he is a ****. Let's face it, he doesn't have a lot of competion in the sports journo world really, Martin Samuel that's about it. Fuck Winter and the snotty nosed horse he rode in on.

So you don't like him as he is educated and speaks well.

Another tit of a bluemoon snob. You should post down in the Cellar more, they love your sort down there.

He is a great journalist and that's all that matters however jealous you may be that he doesn't have a salt of the earth accent.

No, he regurgitates articles and seems to have little understanding of the sport, especially for someone who is paid to write about it. Digging up dirt and parading it as sophisticated opinion, doesn't dismiss the fact, that like all sports journalists, he is a dinosaur, not needed and someone I wouldn't refer to, instead my own eyes. There's one thing for a journalist to risk their life reporting on matters of life and death and another for them to be feted, because we need reassurance!

 

[moomba]

Re: Winter defends Marwood

4. He seems to be advising the owners that the hard spending is done. This is a season too soon.

Based on what? Again, you're guessing to try and prove your point. I think our owner is a bit smarter than that.

Well presumably its based on the fact that we haven't done any hard spending this summer. Seems a reasonable assumption to me.

Unless our lack of spending so far (transfer window hasnt closed yet) can be put down to Marwod advising Khaldoon and co that we shouldn't spend I don't think it is a fair assumption to make.

 

[ono]

Re: Winter defends Marwood

Stopped reading when it said Yaya Toure was the highest Warner at City.

 

[the blue panther]

Re: Winter defends Marwood

I stand korrected :-)

Still a pair of double d's though!

 

[johnmc]

Re: Winter defends Marwood

heer heer

 

[samharris]

Re: Winter defends Marwood

Stopped reading when it said Yaya Toure was the highest Warner at City.

I think they meant his brother.;)

 

[CityCTID]

Re: Winter defends Marwood

Hear hear

1 And your point is? We won the fukin league!!
2 It's 'Here,here!'

What a pair of double d's!

See that bolded part? You are most decidedly incorrect.

<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear,_hear" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear,_hear</a>

If you're going to get snotty over diction, make sure you are correct.

Opsss, its pants not panther ;)

 

[supercrystal7]

Re: Winter defends Marwood

I'm interested to hear why people think Marwood is crap?

Suppose we were in for Hazard and we were quoted £30m & £200k per week plus £6m to his agent. Is he supposed to say "Rightyo. Cash or cheque?" Would that make him "good" at his job?

I suspect we make an approach and hear the price and then decide, between Marwood & Khaldoon, just how much we think we ought to be paying. We know that the owner has a policy of not paying excessive agents' fees and we can also assume we have some sort of wages policy now so that we don't pay anyone who might fancy coming £200k per week without demur.

So if we make an offer and it's refused, beaten by someone else or the player just doesn't fancy it then what exactly is Marwood supposed to do? I'd like to hear from one of the haters what they think he should have done.

It's not just the Hazard thing.

Will give you the example of Milner. I think it is very apparent that Mancini asked for a central midfielder and gave a list of players he would like. Marwood then went and spent 25/6 million odd on Milner. Getting rid of Ireland, who plays in midfield in the swap deal was one indication of this. The last minute deal for Hargeaves also points to this. Mancini then has to make the best out of a bad decision.

Another example is Nasri. Now at the time I remember thinking clearly that there were probably slightly better players than Nasri you could have been in for. However, Mancini had realised the importance of winning the league that year. So he decided to go for Nasri, a player that understood premiership football and could straight away play at a high level. If Nasri was playing abroad I think Mancini may have opted for someone else. However, Marwood spent far too long trying to negotiate the deal. Nasri ended up coming right at the end of the window. Apart from his debut he was largely disappointing for the first half of the season. Luckily you were on fire at the start of the season, but had Silva got injured for a month or too early, then you would have been in real trouble.

These are just two examples, but there are several more.

You don't know how true any of that is. Knowing some agents I'd say it's a load of tosh personally.

Let's assume Mancini asked for a central midfielder that met certain criteria and wants rid of an existing player. Marwood & the scouting team would have had a list of those that met the criteria and between the two of them they may have whittled it down, with RM saying "I'd ideally like X or Y, but I'd take Z if necessary." So Marwood has to go out and see who's available, at what price and whether they're interested. So he comes back and says "X is a no-no, Y's a possible but Z can be done."

So he carries on talking to Y & Z but it's clear that Z's club will take our player in exchange whereas Y's won't. Also perhaps Y's agent is being an arse. So BM comes back and says "We can do a deal for Z and get rid of Steven Ireland as part of that. Yes or no?" RM says OK and the board sign it off.

As for Nasri, do you think we turn up to The Emirates Cash-and-Carry and stick Nasri & Clichy in the trolley, then turn up at the check-out with our credit card? These are complicated deals where the selling club doesn't particularly want to sell or would sell but at a price we don't want to pay. So there are negotiations and the player's agent stirs things up. Maybe they want £30m (but would accept £27m) and we only offer them £20m (but would go to £23m).

Eventually it gets to a point where the selling club has dug its heels in but are risking being left with a player who doesn't want to play for them. So they cave in and make the best of a bad job. "Give us £25m and we'll call it quits."

If anyone cocked the Nasri transfer up it was Arsenal not Marwood.

I will first address the Nasri situation. This is where it is important to understand football, rather than just seeing things in term of a typical business.

Of course there are going to be problems with negotiations, but getting Nasri early could have been vital to your season. Mancini is not a fool either. He too understands the complications, but you have to assess how important a player is to your league season and consequently your finances. The wrangling with Arsenal/agent over the extra million here or there was not as important as getting Nasri early. The current Chelsea run their transfer dealings in a far better way. Saving a couple of million short term on Pepe, probably ended up costing Roman a over a hundred million.

Now on to Milner. Not everyone has the same vision at a football club. Read what other manages and even Mancini has said about transfers. I suspect Mancini had a list of players at the top lets call them A, B, C. Mancini goes to the board and says he wants one of them. The board then tries to get them. However, the board have their own ideas on what value is. So may decide player Z for 25 million is better than any of A, B or C for 32 million. They come back to Mancini and say player A, B and C cost more than we think is value. So we have played Z for a certain amount, are you prepared to take him? Now Mancini really has his hands tied, because he needs a midfielder or else he will be forced to play a kid. So he has no choice, but to accept player Z. Situations like this nearly always go badly and you can see them from a mile off.

Player Z despite being a huge money signing does not walk into the team or even get introduced gradually. Player Z has a style of football different from the other signings. Played Z often shafted into a different position to fit the team. A very cheap desperate replacement is made by the manager for player Z.

 

[supercrystal7]

Re: Winter defends Marwood

Based on what? Again, you're guessing to try and prove your point. I think our owner is a bit smarter than that.

Well presumably its based on the fact that we haven't done any hard spending this summer. Seems a reasonable assumption to me.

Unless our lack of spending so far (transfer window hasnt closed yet) can be put down to Marwod advising Khaldoon and co that we shouldn't spend I don't think it is a fair assumption to make.[/quote]

Your owners have pumped into the club hundreds and hundreds of millions. The money has not run dry and 60 odd million more this season before slowing down is not going to dent their wallets. They clearly love the club and would spend this amount if someone told them it was still a pivotal stage in the development of the club. The fact that you haven't whilst a) your manager wants you to spend b) your squad needs investment; suggest to me someone body has advised a cooling off period.

Marwood is probably making the same mistake that I see a lot of City fans are making. The belief that now you are champions everything is fine. When in truth you can slightly rest your laurels when the squad is complete. Even then things need freshening up, but nothing drastic. Worse still your rivals have really come back at you strongly and invested heavily, improving their squads.

It seems to me this is Deja Vu of the Chelsea situation after they won their 2nd title.