Roll On City
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This transfer window/Marwood
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It's Kia's fault
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I am not a City fan, in fact I am a Palace fan, who regularly goes to matches. That being said I love watching and talking about quality football. I really enjoyed City winning the league since I am not to fond of United, Arsnal or Tottenham.
Being a Palace fan I know not how it it like to follow a team through tough times you do. However, I agree completely with the thread starter and don't think a lot of City fans realise how bad things are.
Lastly year for me you had by far the best first 11 in the Premiership. Hence, why you could thrash everyone at the start when your team was fresh. However, United had the best squad. You were naive in Europe, but in truth you had a very, very hard group. Made harder that Napoli and Bayern were on unbelievable form at the start of the season. However, as the season went on your lack of depth told and in the end you won the with 30 seconds to spare.
United have just gone and spent near 50 million improving their first team. They have just bought RVP the best player in the league last year and Kagawa one of the best midfielders in the German league. Chelsea won't have enough to challenge this year, but have just put together a new incredibly talented young team with no weaknesses except Cahil.
As league champions you need to strike whilst you are on top. To have a perfect team you need to buy a world class centre back, central midfielder and winger. As has been mentioned by lots of people here already you are one long term injury to Toure or Kompany from disaster. The board don't seem to understand that spending 40 million this year will save you millions in the future. Chelsea made the same extent in Mourinho's 3rd season. Mourinho saw they were light at the back. He saw the strength in United's young team and new buying Pepe would see of the United threat. Roman thought he had spent enough and the squad was good enough. So he did not sanction the signing. 12 months later, Chelsea's lack of squad depth cost them and United win the league. United then win 2 more titles on the back of that. As the season stands at the moment the same could happen to City if they are not careful.
I agree with Mancini, though you have a better first team than United unless you bring someone in they are rightfully favourites for the league.
Being a Palace fan I know not how it it like to follow a team through tough times you do. However, I agree completely with the thread starter and don't think a lot of City fans realise how bad things are.
Lastly year for me you had by far the best first 11 in the Premiership. Hence, why you could thrash everyone at the start when your team was fresh. However, United had the best squad. You were naive in Europe, but in truth you had a very, very hard group. Made harder that Napoli and Bayern were on unbelievable form at the start of the season. However, as the season went on your lack of depth told and in the end you won the with 30 seconds to spare.
United have just gone and spent near 50 million improving their first team. They have just bought RVP the best player in the league last year and Kagawa one of the best midfielders in the German league. Chelsea won't have enough to challenge this year, but have just put together a new incredibly talented young team with no weaknesses except Cahil.
As league champions you need to strike whilst you are on top. To have a perfect team you need to buy a world class centre back, central midfielder and winger. As has been mentioned by lots of people here already you are one long term injury to Toure or Kompany from disaster. The board don't seem to understand that spending 40 million this year will save you millions in the future. Chelsea made the same extent in Mourinho's 3rd season. Mourinho saw they were light at the back. He saw the strength in United's young team and new buying Pepe would see of the United threat. Roman thought he had spent enough and the squad was good enough. So he did not sanction the signing. 12 months later, Chelsea's lack of squad depth cost them and United win the league. United then win 2 more titles on the back of that. As the season stands at the moment the same could happen to City if they are not careful.
I agree with Mancini, though you have a better first team than United unless you bring someone in they are rightfully favourites for the league.
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I sort of stand in the middle on this 1 because on one side we won the title last season but i dont think its any secret that the other side of manchester needed more players. The point i make is that they have gone out and bought players that can come in and add real bite if all goes well
Chelsea last season were hoping to rely on a misfiring torres manager changes uncertainty and also needing players. The problem i see is that they have added to there squad with great qaulity and in masses
Arsenal didnt have the squad last season but although rvp gone they in my opinion in podolski and corzola without the others have more strengh than last year so winning the title this year is going to be twice as hard as last.
There are many reasons why we could have lost our targets not just marwood
but the 1 thing if only 1 i would only like to see is please add cb cover
Chelsea last season were hoping to rely on a misfiring torres manager changes uncertainty and also needing players. The problem i see is that they have added to there squad with great qaulity and in masses
Arsenal didnt have the squad last season but although rvp gone they in my opinion in podolski and corzola without the others have more strengh than last year so winning the title this year is going to be twice as hard as last.
There are many reasons why we could have lost our targets not just marwood
but the 1 thing if only 1 i would only like to see is please add cb cover
Roll On City said:£grim up north said:stan bowles said:Marwood simply carries no clout with the agents or representatives of top players. He has no influence or leverage with other teams to get his foot in the door and I honestly believe he is a serious handicap to our progress. With the new CEO due on 1 September, I hope Marwood is gone by the next window. Our three priorities for a top CB, central midfielder and wide man should have been identified and in place for the start of the season. I'd start setting your alarm a little earlier each day Mr Marwood as the clock is ticking down.
So who bought Aguero, Slva, Yaya et al
It is unbelievable the amount people on here panic and complain, and usually about something on which they know nothing.
Without Brian Marwood, we would flat out not have Silva, Aguero, or Yaya. It was him that sold our club to those players and their agents, it was him that negotiated the deals from their former clubs.
Our current transfer strategy is a revolving door, surely its not that difficult to work out, and at current thats more difficult because of the players we are selling.
Re: RVP - We enquired, we didnt want to pay Arsenal £20+m for a player in the last year of his contract, and we definatly dont want to be giving a 29 year old player £230K on 4 year. Meaning in 2014/2015 United will be paying a 32/33 year old RVP £230K a week. And that will fuck them over.
re: De Rossi - didnt come due to family reasons. End of story.
We have other targets but its not a case of just strolling into somewhere, shaking hands, maybe offering them a fruit basket and politly asking for the best player. Clubs dont want to sell, and clubs definatly dont want to sell to rival clubs, and for us, the kind of players we want to sign are at champions league clubs who view us as rivals. So prices go up and negotiations take longer and longer.
I agree 100%supercrystal7 said:I am not a City fan, in fact I am a Palace fan, who regularly goes to matches. That being said I love watching and talking about quality football. I really enjoyed City winning the league since I am not to fond of United, Arsnal or Tottenham.
Being a Palace fan I know not how it it like to follow a team through tough times you do. However, I agree completely with the thread starter and don't think a lot of City fans realise how bad things are.
Lastly year for me you had by far the best first 11 in the Premiership. Hence, why you could thrash everyone at the start when your team was fresh. However, United had the best squad. You were naive in Europe, but in truth you had a very, very hard group. Made harder that Napoli and Bayern were on unbelievable form at the start of the season. However, as the season went on your lack of depth told and in the end you won the with 30 seconds to spare.
United have just gone and spent near 50 million improving their first team. They have just bought RVP the best player in the league last year and Kagawa one of the best midfielders in the German league. Chelsea won't have enough to challenge this year, but have just put together a new incredibly talented young team with no weaknesses except Cahil.
As league champions you need to strike whilst you are on top. To have a perfect team you need to buy a world class centre back, central midfielder and winger. As has been mentioned by lots of people here already you are one long term injury to Toure or Kompany from disaster. The board don't seem to understand that spending 40 million this year will save you millions in the future. Chelsea made the same extent in Mourinho's 3rd season. Mourinho saw they were light at the back. He saw the strength in United's young team and new buying Pepe would see of the United threat. Roman thought he had spent enough and the squad was good enough. So he did not sanction the signing. 12 months later, Chelsea's lack of squad depth cost them and United win the league. United then win 2 more titles on the back of that. As the season stands at the moment the same could happen to City if they are not careful.
I agree with Mancini, though you have a better first team than United unless you bring someone in they are rightfully favourites for the league.
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MCRJON said:Roll On City said:£grim up north said:So who bought Aguero, Slva, Yaya et al
It is unbelievable the amount people on here panic and complain, and usually about something on which they know nothing.
Without Brian Marwood, we would flat out not have Silva, Aguero, or Yaya. It was him that sold our club to those players and their agents, it was him that negotiated the deals from their former clubs.
Our current transfer strategy is a revolving door, surely its not that difficult to work out, and at current thats more difficult because of the players we are selling.
Re: RVP - We enquired, we didnt want to pay Arsenal £20+m for a player in the last year of his contract, and we definatly dont want to be giving a 29 year old player £230K on 4 year. Meaning in 2014/2015 United will be paying a 32/33 year old RVP £230K a week. And that will fuck them over.
re: De Rossi - didnt come due to family reasons. End of story.
We have other targets but its not a case of just strolling into somewhere, shaking hands, maybe offering them a fruit basket and politly asking for the best player. Clubs dont want to sell, and clubs definatly dont want to sell to rival clubs, and for us, the kind of players we want to sign are at champions league clubs who view us as rivals. So prices go up and negotiations take longer and longer.
There seems to be a contradiction in what you say about DDR and RVP.
DDR is also 29 and is reportedly on £200k a week at Roma.
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The club have got it spot on, everytime we come knocking on the door for a player the price goes up 10-15 million and the wages break 200k.
In these instances they should be told under no uncertain terms to FOOK RIGHT OFF.
If the player wants to come to City, then the deal will happen. If they only want to come here to make some money (ala Adebayor) then those days are long gone. Fingers burned, got the t-shirt...never again.
What you are basically moaning about is the strength of the subs bench (which includes nothing but internationals), which is like taking your ferrari to the garage for a service and flipping out coz the courtesy car they've offered is only a BMW.
In these instances they should be told under no uncertain terms to FOOK RIGHT OFF.
If the player wants to come to City, then the deal will happen. If they only want to come here to make some money (ala Adebayor) then those days are long gone. Fingers burned, got the t-shirt...never again.
What you are basically moaning about is the strength of the subs bench (which includes nothing but internationals), which is like taking your ferrari to the garage for a service and flipping out coz the courtesy car they've offered is only a BMW.
twinkletoes said:There seems to be a contradiction in what you say about DDR and RVP.
DDR is also 29 and is reportedly on £200k a week at Roma.
Its a fair point however we never negotiated with him and i doubt the offer would of been a 4 year deal. Just illustrating the point that, contrary to popular opinion, we didnt sign him because of Marwood.
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Does anybody really think that if Khaldoon Al Mubarak and the owners weren't happy about the performance of Brian Marwood they would just sit back, not get involved until after the window closes. If there was a problem they would soon move Marwood aside. Look were we are they Know what theyre doing
mancityscot
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the OP is absolutely bang on. Since cook left, our transfer dealings have been nothing short of abysmal.
Prestwich_Blue
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So do the people complaining want ot go back to the days of Hughes and paying stupid money for a raft of average signings?
Posters like MCRJON are absolutely spot-on. It's not like Harrods where you walk in and say "I'll have this, this and this" and they say "Yes sir. When would you like them delivered?"
We're a business now and have rules about who we buy and financial constraints that we have to follow. Our power in the market means we always risk getting ripped off so we need to show it's a deal on our terms or not at all. We've also a settled, title-winning squad now. No one has gone from that as yet but we all know we need cover in some areas. But we've got the chance to play a longer game now as we don't deperately need players who can hit the ground running. We can take a chance on younger players like Rodwell & Savic who will grow into the team over the next couple of years. We've got some promising youngsters coming through from the EDS.
We've still got some deadwood to clear out but that's not necessarily an easy task while they're on long, lucrative contracts. In the meantime we've cleared quite a lot off the wage bill over the last two seasons. We'll still show a significant loss for 2011/12 but that will be considerably less than the previous year's £194m (probably around a third of that figure).
Posters like MCRJON are absolutely spot-on. It's not like Harrods where you walk in and say "I'll have this, this and this" and they say "Yes sir. When would you like them delivered?"
We're a business now and have rules about who we buy and financial constraints that we have to follow. Our power in the market means we always risk getting ripped off so we need to show it's a deal on our terms or not at all. We've also a settled, title-winning squad now. No one has gone from that as yet but we all know we need cover in some areas. But we've got the chance to play a longer game now as we don't deperately need players who can hit the ground running. We can take a chance on younger players like Rodwell & Savic who will grow into the team over the next couple of years. We've got some promising youngsters coming through from the EDS.
We've still got some deadwood to clear out but that's not necessarily an easy task while they're on long, lucrative contracts. In the meantime we've cleared quite a lot off the wage bill over the last two seasons. We'll still show a significant loss for 2011/12 but that will be considerably less than the previous year's £194m (probably around a third of that figure).
larderland said:iv been biting my tongue for the last 3months of the summer regarding our transfer activity taken care of by marwood and his 'team'
We must at this point probably have the worst negotiating team possible in the league. i dont care or necessarily want 30million pound signings.its the way we go about them that really scares me.
Either marwood is terrible at his job or isnt getting the support he needs.
we can all tell that mancini is fuming over this summers activities.And dont give me this were champions blahblahblah bullcrap. Its a small club mentality. barcelona bought sanchez and fabregas the year they won the treble.
United have bought the best striker and attacking midfielder from their respective leagues last year and lets not forget we won the league with 2 minutes to go. we have no acceptable cb cover at all. if kompany got an injury like vidic last year you can deliver the league trophy to old trafford before the season ends cos savic and kolo arent upto the job.
and why on gods name are we being linked with players such as sinclair,maicon etc?wtf?are we a mid table team now?
I remember when cook got the sack ppl where cheering for joy but its no coincidence since he left that the only relatively big signing we have made is rodwell
HE brought in silva,tevez,yaya etc
People say its ffps fault were not spending,that is bullshit. We were ready to spend 35 million on hazard.
How did a player that visited our club as we beat the rags and brought him house hunting end up at a club that didnt even show interest in him until june and get the deal done pretty quickly?
What about rvp? lost out on that one also
De rossi?what in gods name were we doing putting so much time and effort into a player that was NEVER going to leave.
Also missed out on him.
our out goings...
embarrassing-adebayor,why did it take 3months to get rid of him?weve known for a year and a half that he was leaving and we end up with pennies for him
Weiss-has had 2 successful loan spells with numerous clubs looking for him but yet we sell him once again for pennies
RSC-known for ages he had no future and hes still at the club for which the club will recieve no fee if/when he leaves.
bridge-on loan to briighton were we are paying most of his wages-wtf?
ppl might think im overeacting but i think we will really regret the decision to stand still in this transfer market and its something that seriously needs to be reviewed because this window is quickly becoming terrible
Ive got to agree mate, this window has been an absolute shambles, only city could do this.
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We stil have time to sign players assuming we havent already...i say keep your powder dry until Sept. I am firmly of the opinion we have done additional business but are waiting for the right time to announce them.
kompany10 said:larderland said:iv been biting my tongue for the last 3months of the summer regarding our transfer activity taken care of by marwood and his 'team'
We must at this point probably have the worst negotiating team possible in the league. i dont care or necessarily want 30million pound signings.its the way we go about them that really scares me.
Either marwood is terrible at his job or isnt getting the support he needs.
we can all tell that mancini is fuming over this summers activities.And dont give me this were champions blahblahblah bullcrap. Its a small club mentality. barcelona bought sanchez and fabregas the year they won the treble.
United have bought the best striker and attacking midfielder from their respective leagues last year and lets not forget we won the league with 2 minutes to go. we have no acceptable cb cover at all. if kompany got an injury like vidic last year you can deliver the league trophy to old trafford before the season ends cos savic and kolo arent upto the job.
and why on gods name are we being linked with players such as sinclair,maicon etc?wtf?are we a mid table team now?
I remember when cook got the sack ppl where cheering for joy but its no coincidence since he left that the only relatively big signing we have made is rodwell
HE brought in silva,tevez,yaya etc
People say its ffps fault were not spending,that is bullshit. We were ready to spend 35 million on hazard.
How did a player that visited our club as we beat the rags and brought him house hunting end up at a club that didnt even show interest in him until june and get the deal done pretty quickly?
What about rvp? lost out on that one also
De rossi?what in gods name were we doing putting so much time and effort into a player that was NEVER going to leave.
Also missed out on him.
our out goings...
embarrassing-adebayor,why did it take 3months to get rid of him?weve known for a year and a half that he was leaving and we end up with pennies for him
Weiss-has had 2 successful loan spells with numerous clubs looking for him but yet we sell him once again for pennies
RSC-known for ages he had no future and hes still at the club for which the club will recieve no fee if/when he leaves.
bridge-on loan to briighton were we are paying most of his wages-wtf?
ppl might think im overeacting but i think we will really regret the decision to stand still in this transfer market and its something that seriously needs to be reviewed because this window is quickly becoming terrible
Ive got to agree mate, this window has been an absolute shambles, only city could do this.
Yep and now there's Boyata who's gone on loan. He's been with us since 2007 and play approximately 20 times. WTF. Should have been sold, yes I know twenty have an option to buy but it won't happen ala Weiss
DenisLawBackHeel74 said:We stil have time to sign players assuming we havent already...i say keep your powder dry until Sept. I am firmly of the opinion we have done additional business but are waiting for the right time to announce them.
i hope your right but if so were cutting it especially short
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Lol we've spent the least this transfer window, even the promoted clubs have spent more.
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Sky Blue said:The OP has a history of flapping....
larderland Post subject: Re: City v Sunderland In Match Discussion ThreadPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:53 pm
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Posts: 2892 im telling you now,united will have won the title by april at our place,guard of honour awaits
well done boys
This is a well made point. The people who are kicking off because we haven't spent tens of millions (yet) are probably the same people who gave up the league after Swansea away last season !
GaudinoMotors
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Bit over-dramatic - but a lot of truth in the OP's observations.
Khaldoon himself said we would not sit back and that there would be players brought in to continue our improvement and strenghen our position as Champions.
Khaldoon himself said we would not sit back and that there would be players brought in to continue our improvement and strenghen our position as Champions.
Forzacitizens said:Lol we've spent the least this transfer window, even the promoted clubs have spent more.
Got to laugh at this, the window has been that bad its rather funny at the same time.