This transfer window/Marwood

[riley347]

departures will go first( by tuesday night) then 2 signings by end of window imo-( johnson & NDJ going i think- gutted if NDJ goes by the way).....think it will be sinclair and martinez coming in....

 

[Left Peg]

We stil have time to sign players assuming we havent already...i say keep your powder dry until Sept. I am firmly of the opinion we have done additional business but are waiting for the right time to announce them.

Generally this is a good point but leaving it this late does affect how long the new player has to get used to our strategy and may therefore need a few weeks to bed in.

 

[80s Shorts]

iv been biting my tongue for the last 3months of the summer regarding our transfer activity taken care of by marwood and his 'team'

We must at this point probably have the worst negotiating team possible in the league. i dont care or necessarily want 30million pound signings.its the way we go about them that really scares me.

Either marwood is terrible at his job or isnt getting the support he needs.
we can all tell that mancini is fuming over this summers activities.And dont give me this were champions blahblahblah bullcrap. Its a small club mentality. barcelona bought sanchez and fabregas the year they won the treble.


United have bought the best striker and attacking midfielder from their respective leagues last year and lets not forget we won the league with 2 minutes to go. we have no acceptable cb cover at all. if kompany got an injury like vidic last year you can deliver the league trophy to old trafford before the season ends cos savic and kolo arent upto the job.

and why on gods name are we being linked with players such as sinclair,maicon etc?wtf?are we a mid table team now?

I remember when cook got the sack ppl where cheering for joy but its no coincidence since he left that the only relatively big signing we have made is rodwell

HE brought in silva,tevez,yaya etc

People say its ffps fault were not spending,that is bullshit. We were ready to spend 35 million on hazard.
How did a player that visited our club as we beat the rags and brought him house hunting end up at a club that didnt even show interest in him until june and get the deal done pretty quickly?

What about rvp? lost out on that one also

De rossi?what in gods name were we doing putting so much time and effort into a player that was NEVER going to leave.

Also missed out on him.

our out goings...

embarrassing-adebayor,why did it take 3months to get rid of him?weve known for a year and a half that he was leaving and we end up with pennies for him

Weiss-has had 2 successful loan spells with numerous clubs looking for him but yet we sell him once again for pennies

RSC-known for ages he had no future and hes still at the club for which the club will recieve no fee if/when he leaves.

bridge-on loan to briighton were we are paying most of his wages-wtf?

ppl might think im overeacting but i think we will really regret the decision to stand still in this transfer market and its something that seriously needs to be reviewed because this window is quickly becoming terrible

You say Marwood is terrible or his support team is. It is self evident that you therefore do not know either way. Neither do you know the constraints or parameters within which they have been instructed to work.


You say we have a small club mentality. That is a ridiculous thing to say when everybody can see how the club has developed over the last three years and can also see how it will develop in the coming years.

United and Purplenose have made a desperate throw of the dice in securing RVP for the price they have payed. We presumably thought it not worth the risk and I agree. That is if we ever bid in the first place. If nothing else it put the pressure on the scum not to be seen to be beaten to his signature by liccle City.

IMO the CB situation will be addressed before the end of the window. It may have been a close thing last season but we are a year further down the road in our development and will only get stronger even with the current crop of players.

We cannot have a squad of 25 superstars, it is about having a balanced squad. That includes young players with potential as well as older experienced players to mix in with the world class players.

As far as Hazard is concerned we were reportedly not willing to pay the extortionate agents fees. This will have been a decision taken at the highest levels, not by Marwood. So you need to point your accusatory finger elsewhere.

How do you know how much time and effort was put into trying to sign De Rossi. Other than a couple of twatters there was little if any concrete information regarding this. In fact the only noises from the club were from Mancini himself who stated on more that one occassion recently that we wouldnt be signing him.

As far as outgoings are concerned, we have been a victim of our buying policy shortly after the takeover. We had to attract players quickly, and the only way to do this was by offering top wages. It can be argued that some of those players were very poor buys but that is down to Leslie and the support the ownership showed him.

Yes, you are overreacting.

 

[fatbloke]

In response to the OP - if you have been biting your tongue for 3 months, why couldn't you wait another 7 days until the transfer window officially shuts so you can better a more informed judgement.

At the end of the day neither me, you or anyone else on Bluemoon has a clue as to which players we want, why we want those players or how we are conducting our business. You say Barcelona strengthened their squad after they won the treble but you conveniently forget to mention that Real Madrid who won the Spanish league last year haven't made a single signing this summer, despite the public battle for Modric.

We all know because it was made public knowledge of our interest in Van Persie but in our current position we don't need to take gambles on players who are way overpriced and who aren't value for money. United are desperate to win the title back from us so have taken that gamble and it may pay off but I don't think any club with thoughts about long term sustainability would have risked upwards of £40m (transfer fee + wages) on an injury prone 29 year old who will have very little resale value in a couple of years. The Hazard situation was different because as far as we're all aware the fee was agreed with Lille, personal terms were agreed with the player and the only stumbling block was the £4m agent fee that only Chelsea were willing to pay (hence us and United both pulling out of the deal).

As a club we have set out with a very different strategy from previous years because we have refused to pay agent fees, we have refused to pay players contracts up and we have stayed strong in terms of not backing down to the likes of Tevez and Adebayor. Our dealings have been very professional and conducted out of the public eye, we are now trying to forge relationships with other clubs and do deals that are good for us, the selling or buying club and the player involved rather than just throwing money at every situation like we have in the past. So while we may miss out on a couple of targets this window, it will teach clubs who do want to deal with us in the future that we won't be messed around by them, players or agents. Look at the deal for Rodwell - the press knew fuck all until it was done and dusted, we dealt with Moyes in a very dignified manner in comparison to the deal for Lescott and they'll be very happy to deal with us again in the future. That's how business works these days, you have to build relationships and do things professionally or people will not take you seriously. Trust the people in charge, after all we've made significant progress every single year since the takeover on and off the pitch.

 

[supercrystal7]

The OP has a history of flapping....

larderland Post subject: Re: City v Sunderland In Match Discussion ThreadPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:53 pm



Joined: Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:17 pm
Posts: 2892 im telling you now,united will have won the title by april at our place,guard of honour awaits

well done boys

This is a well made point. The people who are kicking off because we haven't spent tens of millions (yet) are probably the same people who gave up the league after Swansea away last season !

First would like to thank the poster for the welcome.

I honestly don't think this is the case. I am a neutral and I thought you had blown it when you lost to Arsenal.

By the way off topic, but Balotelli gets a tremendous amount of unfair stick in that match. Yes he was playing like an idiot and had a 20 minute period where he sulked, but apart from the defence he was the only player in that game, who seemed to realise the importance. He was very likely to get a red card, but pretty much your only hope for a goal. Hence why a world class manager like Mancini kept him on, because that was a key game, which everyone assumed you needed to win.

Anyway back on topic when you lost to Arsenal I assumed United would win the league, but after they dropped points against Wigan, I thought you had a decent shot again.

Back on topic this is not about spending money for the sake of it. You won the league, but you had weaknesses in your squad and a lack of depth. If you define a world class player as say top 5-10 in their position, then you have about 5 world class player: Kompany, Toure, Silva, Aguero, Tevez. Madrid and Barcelona have around 10, whilst Bayern around 7. To catch up with them in Europe you need to invest.

Even if we are talking in the league alone you lack sufficient depth. Lescott and Barry are good players, but they need world class players alongside them to perform week in week out. Even so then they are not at the highest quality. Nasri and Silva are fantastic players, but they will need a rest. A top class winger would also give the attack another dimension. Silva was exhausted and injured last year, but could not be given a break due to Johnson's inability to step up. Yaya toure is not the fittest guy, but had to play every game due to the inability of Barry or De Jong to control a midfield. There was even an article about this from one of your medical staff. He said how Mancini likes to monitor the fitness levels of all his players and rest them when they are tired, but he didn't use this with Toure or Silva.


Experienced fitness coach Ivan Carminati takes the lead role in communicating information about a player's physical state to club boss Roberto Mancini.

"We have a daily conversation at training but also speak in the evenings sometimes when we meet up with our families," says the 57-year-old Carminati, who worked with his fellow Italian at Lazio and Inter.

"He likes to rotate his players to keep them fresh. There are some who play more than others - like Yaya Toure or David Silva - but that is the manager's decision.
GPS monitors in football


"Also, during the game, I can give him some advice on the fitness profile of each player. I look at them, use my experience and analyse how they recover after a sprint. I give him my advice but in the end he decides."

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18887653" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18887653</a>

With more and harder games this year it will only get worse. Nasri can step up more and replace Silva like he did towards the end of last year and against Southampton, but he still needs help.

 

[Left Peg]

In response to the OP - if you have been biting your tongue for 3 months, why couldn't you wait another 7 days until the transfer window officially shuts so you can better a more informed judgement.

At the end of the day neither me, you or anyone else on Bluemoon has a clue as to which players we want, why we want those players or how we are conducting our business. You say Barcelona strengthened their squad after they won the treble but you conveniently forget to mention that Real Madrid who won the Spanish league last year haven't made a single signing this summer, despite the public battle for Modric.

We all know because it was made public knowledge of our interest in Van Persie but in our current position we don't need to take gambles on players who are way overpriced and who aren't value for money. United are desperate to win the title back from us so have taken that gamble and it may pay off but I don't think any club with thoughts about long term sustainability would have risked upwards of £40m (transfer fee + wages) on an injury prone 29 year old who will have very little resale value in a couple of years. The Hazard situation was different because as far as we're all aware the fee was agreed with Lille, personal terms were agreed with the player and the only stumbling block was the £4m agent fee that only Chelsea were willing to pay (hence us and United both pulling out of the deal).

As a club we have set out with a very different strategy from previous years because we have refused to pay agent fees, we have refused to pay players contracts up and we have stayed strong in terms of not backing down to the likes of Tevez and Adebayor. Our dealings have been very professional and conducted out of the public eye, we are now trying to forge relationships with other clubs and do deals that are good for us, the selling or buying club and the player involved rather than just throwing money at every situation like we have in the past. So while we may miss out on a couple of targets this window, it will teach clubs who do want to deal with us in the future that we won't be messed around by them, players or agents. Look at the deal for Rodwell - the press knew fuck all until it was done and dusted, we dealt with Moyes in a very dignified manner in comparison to the deal for Lescott and they'll be very happy to deal with us again in the future. That's how business works these days, you have to build relationships and do things professionally or people will not take you seriously. Trust the people in charge, after all we've made significant progress every single year since the takeover on and off the pitch.

How dare you offer a voice of reason?

 

[Ducado]

In response to the OP - if you have been biting your tongue for 3 months, why couldn't you wait another 7 days until the transfer window officially shuts so you can better a more informed judgement.

At the end of the day neither me, you or anyone else on Bluemoon has a clue as to which players we want, why we want those players or how we are conducting our business. You say Barcelona strengthened their squad after they won the treble but you conveniently forget to mention that Real Madrid who won the Spanish league last year haven't made a single signing this summer, despite the public battle for Modric.

We all know because it was made public knowledge of our interest in Van Persie but in our current position we don't need to take gambles on players who are way overpriced and who aren't value for money. United are desperate to win the title back from us so have taken that gamble and it may pay off but I don't think any club with thoughts about long term sustainability would have risked upwards of £40m (transfer fee + wages) on an injury prone 29 year old who will have very little resale value in a couple of years. The Hazard situation was different because as far as we're all aware the fee was agreed with Lille, personal terms were agreed with the player and the only stumbling block was the £4m agent fee that only Chelsea were willing to pay (hence us and United both pulling out of the deal).

As a club we have set out with a very different strategy from previous years because we have refused to pay agent fees, we have refused to pay players contracts up and we have stayed strong in terms of not backing down to the likes of Tevez and Adebayor. Our dealings have been very professional and conducted out of the public eye, we are now trying to forge relationships with other clubs and do deals that are good for us, the selling or buying club and the player involved rather than just throwing money at every situation like we have in the past. So while we may miss out on a couple of targets this window, it will teach clubs who do want to deal with us in the future that we won't be messed around by them, players or agents. Look at the deal for Rodwell - the press knew fuck all until it was done and dusted, we dealt with Moyes in a very dignified manner in comparison to the deal for Lescott and they'll be very happy to deal with us again in the future. That's how business works these days, you have to build relationships and do things professionally or people will not take you seriously. Trust the people in charge, after all we've made significant progress every single year since the takeover on and off the pitch.

The best thing you have ever written on here, and bang on the money as far as I am concerned, the problem is people have been used to mega signings it's become like a drug, it gets them high (it really does) that's why you see so many names bandied about, they play their video games and then make the mistake of thinking it's real life, hence all the hissy fits, when they don't have a clue what is going on.

Also some people never change like the OP in this thread, if it's not one thing it's another thing to moan about, like I have always advised people, think before you post

 

[Marvin]

In response to the OP - if you have been biting your tongue for 3 months, why couldn't you wait another 7 days until the transfer window officially shuts so you can better a more informed judgement.

At the end of the day neither me, you or anyone else on Bluemoon has a clue as to which players we want, why we want those players or how we are conducting our business. You say Barcelona strengthened their squad after they won the treble but you conveniently forget to mention that Real Madrid who won the Spanish league last year haven't made a single signing this summer, despite the public battle for Modric.

We all know because it was made public knowledge of our interest in Van Persie but in our current position we don't need to take gambles on players who are way overpriced and who aren't value for money. United are desperate to win the title back from us so have taken that gamble and it may pay off but I don't think any club with thoughts about long term sustainability would have risked upwards of £40m (transfer fee + wages) on an injury prone 29 year old who will have very little resale value in a couple of years. The Hazard situation was different because as far as we're all aware the fee was agreed with Lille, personal terms were agreed with the player and the only stumbling block was the £4m agent fee that only Chelsea were willing to pay (hence us and United both pulling out of the deal).

As a club we have set out with a very different strategy from previous years because we have refused to pay agent fees, we have refused to pay players contracts up and we have stayed strong in terms of not backing down to the likes of Tevez and Adebayor. Our dealings have been very professional and conducted out of the public eye, we are now trying to forge relationships with other clubs and do deals that are good for us, the selling or buying club and the player involved rather than just throwing money at every situation like we have in the past. So while we may miss out on a couple of targets this window, it will teach clubs who do want to deal with us in the future that we won't be messed around by them, players or agents. Look at the deal for Rodwell - the press knew fuck all until it was done and dusted, we dealt with Moyes in a very dignified manner in comparison to the deal for Lescott and they'll be very happy to deal with us again in the future. That's how business works these days, you have to build relationships and do things professionally or people will not take you seriously. Trust the people in charge, after all we've made significant progress every single year since the takeover on and off the pitch.

Good post FBloke. You should post more on here. Too many throwing insults around when they're challenged

 

[Sky Blue]

Good sensible post Fatbloke who isn't that fantasist fbloke by the way...

 

[kompany10]

In response to the OP - if you have been biting your tongue for 3 months, why couldn't you wait another 7 days until the transfer window officially shuts so you can better a more informed judgement.

At the end of the day neither me, you or anyone else on Bluemoon has a clue as to which players we want, why we want those players or how we are conducting our business. You say Barcelona strengthened their squad after they won the treble but you conveniently forget to mention that Real Madrid who won the Spanish league last year haven't made a single signing this summer, despite the public battle for Modric.

We all know because it was made public knowledge of our interest in Van Persie but in our current position we don't need to take gambles on players who are way overpriced and who aren't value for money. United are desperate to win the title back from us so have taken that gamble and it may pay off but I don't think any club with thoughts about long term sustainability would have risked upwards of £40m (transfer fee + wages) on an injury prone 29 year old who will have very little resale value in a couple of years. The Hazard situation was different because as far as we're all aware the fee was agreed with Lille, personal terms were agreed with the player and the only stumbling block was the £4m agent fee that only Chelsea were willing to pay (hence us and United both pulling out of the deal).

As a club we have set out with a very different strategy from previous years because we have refused to pay agent fees, we have refused to pay players contracts up and we have stayed strong in terms of not backing down to the likes of Tevez and Adebayor. Our dealings have been very professional and conducted out of the public eye, we are now trying to forge relationships with other clubs and do deals that are good for us, the selling or buying club and the player involved rather than just throwing money at every situation like we have in the past. So while we may miss out on a couple of targets this window, it will teach clubs who do want to deal with us in the future that we won't be messed around by them, players or agents. Look at the deal for Rodwell - the press knew fuck all until it was done and dusted, we dealt with Moyes in a very dignified manner in comparison to the deal for Lescott and they'll be very happy to deal with us again in the future. That's how business works these days, you have to build relationships and do things professionally or people will not take you seriously. Trust the people in charge, after all we've made significant progress every single year since the takeover on and off the pitch.

The best thing you have ever written on here, and bang on the money as far as I am concerned, the problem is people have been used to mega signings it's become like a drug, it gets them high (it really does) that's why you see so many names bandied about, they play their video games and then make the mistake of thinking it's real life, hence all the hissy fits, when they don't have a clue what is going on.

Also some people never change like the OP in this thread, if it's not one thing it's another thing to moan about, like I have always advised people, think before you post

Its not about mega signings though pal, its about simply strengthening your squad, whether you admit it or not this transfer window hasnt been good enough, way off in fact, there are very good players out there without the price tags (obviously we pay a slight premium) however like ive said, this window has been a shambles, for a club wanting to move forward and keep hold of the premier league and go further in the cl signing just jack rodwell isnt good enough.