Ticket Points Sales Tracking

wolfie1988 said:
There are some good suggestions. I think random ticket collection isn't a bad thing in small numbers. However, the club should need to inform the purchaser at least 7 days in advance so that they can plan and change their plans accordingly. And there should possibly be the option to return the ticket without punishment after the they've been informed too. If there was to be any punishment for the wrong person collecting a ticket or a no show, it should only be done if the buyer has had an option to return it and ignored or turned it down to chance their arm.
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Tricky thing is with a ticket collection is that really it only needs to be enforced for two games a season, there's no point doing a ticket collection for Brighton or Wolves away. Maybe for a Boxing Day game or a small allocation but generally people are only arsed about United and Liverpool away. And if I was that way inclined and I was going to make £500 for a ticket to Anfield at the end of the month I'd drive to Liverpool, pick it up that morning and give it to this tourist - probably worth the £20 in petrol.

Once baldy and the big fella fuck off and we go back to being also-rans it will be easier for people to get tickets to Everton, Villa, West Ham, Newcastle etc. and this will be less of an issue overall.
 
liamctid said:
Tricky thing is with a ticket collection is that really it only needs to be enforced for two games a season, there's no point doing a ticket collection for Brighton or Wolves away. Maybe for a Boxing Day game or a small allocation but generally people are only arsed about United and Liverpool away. And if I was that way inclined and I was going to make £500 for a ticket to Anfield at the end of the month I'd drive to Liverpool, pick it up that morning and give it to this tourist - probably worth the £20 in petrol.

Once baldy and the big fella fuck off and we go back to being also-rans it will be easier for people to get tickets to Everton, Villa, West Ham, Newcastle etc. and this will be less of an issue overall.
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Yep. God forbid anybody mentions the points that West Ham, Newcastle, Spurs and Brighton have gone down to this season......Certainly not the closed shop some would have you believe. But then, the above games aren't particularly fashionable....
 
Alex - City Matters said:
Thanks for your message, Colin.


I think it's the opposite. The current system suits me perfectly. I'm practically guaranteed an away ticket for life, as I currently qualify for each and every ticket point available regardless of my away attendance. I might not attend another away game for the next ten years, but as long as I purchase my home tickets, I am guaranteed a ticket for Old Trafford or Anfield. In what world is that fair?

So it would be to my own detriment if the system changed.



Haven't you just proved my point?

People still pass on tickets even if away ticket points aren't available, as their main intent in doing so is usually to help a friend or family.

I'd also add that my reasoning about catching people up isn't flawed. As I've set out numerous times, including my paper, the current system makes it physically impossible for quite a few supporters to catch-up and for the remainder it has greatly decreased the rate at which they can catch up.

That said, always appreciate feedback on this one. I understand there's a real range of opinion.
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Obviously I've known you and your dad a long time and I know you're home & away regulars. I also know how much time, effort and thought you put into City Matters. We don't see eye-to-eye on this issue but that's life. So I don't want you to think I'm having a go at you personally.

But if you reintroduce away points then 'you' (meaning others on high points who do attend games) just pull further away. As I said in my post, if you can mitigate passing on tickets then away ticket points become a viable proposition again. You also probably have to look at the whole points system as well.

One of the shared concerns that we and the club had over the points system was that any change didn't skew existing points totals. One potential solution was just to divide existing totals by 10, 50 or even 100. That maintains differentials but makes it easier to catch up, which is what you want, as long as you have better control over reselling of away tickets.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Obviously I've known you and your dad a long time and I know you're home & away regulars. I also know how much time, effort and thought you put into City Matters. We don't see eye-to-eye on this issue but that's life. So I don't want you to think I'm having a go at you personally.

But if you reintroduce away points then 'you' (meaning others on high points who do attend games) just pull further away. As I said in my post, if you can mitigate passing on tickets then away ticket points become a viable proposition again. You also probably have to look at the whole points system as well.

One of the shared concerns that we and the club had over the points system was that any change didn't skew existing points totals. One potential solution was just to divide existing totals by 10, 50 or even 100. That maintains differentials but makes it easier to catch up, which is what you want, as long as you have better control over reselling of away tickets.
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And do you think that the other groups that get a percentage of the tickets should come under the same scrutiny as you are suggesting for the loyalty points scheme.
 
Chappie said:
And do you think that the other groups that get a percentage of the tickets should come under the same scrutiny as you are suggesting for the loyalty points scheme.
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Don't be silly. The club wouldn't agree to that scrutiny as it might affect the revenues.

This has been the thing all along. Certain people can stand up for their role in the change, but the way they let only the allocation to points be scrutinised was a disgrace. Especially when everyone of these high pointers already pays the clubs loyalty tax(Platinum)
 
40 more have just appeared in the away end at Anfield. It was down to 38 just before 4pm.
 
I've just got 2 and it literally said 9 tickets left in block AL9 only...hasn't got down to my points last couple of times we played them (though was less tickets last year)
 
M18CTID said:
You make some interesting points but do you seriously believe that those 2k+ tickets for our next away match are all genuine tickets when our allocation is only around 3000? Given the number that went on sale to points holders at the outset, that 2k+ is clearly a bullshit figure.
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When do dipper fans use genuine tickets? Jibbing in is the in thing.
 
liamctid said:
Tricky thing is with a ticket collection is that really it only needs to be enforced for two games a season, there's no point doing a ticket collection for Brighton or Wolves away. Maybe for a Boxing Day game or a small allocation but generally people are only arsed about United and Liverpool away. And if I was that way inclined and I was going to make £500 for a ticket to Anfield at the end of the month I'd drive to Liverpool, pick it up that morning and give it to this tourist - probably worth the £20 in petrol.

Once baldy and the big fella fuck off and we go back to being also-rans it will be easier for people to get tickets to Everton, Villa, West Ham, Newcastle etc. and this will be less of an issue overall.
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I don’t see the attraction with anfield it’s a horrible kip we never turn up and more often than not get beat I’ve fucked it off years ago
 
East Level 2 said:
Nice attempt at humour but as a pedantic twunt I have to point out we've never played Hartlepool away in a first-team fixture. The only game against them was the 6-0 FA Cup win at Maine Road in 1976. - The day Dennis Tueart and one of their players (Potter?) were sent off.
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Cheers yep, know that. @Chappie has been to more away grounds than anyone I know and, to my best knowledge, is just missing Hartlepool and Orient from the “old” 92. Those he’s done include couple first team friendlies(Exeter).
When it comes to putting in the hard yards, few have more / better insight.
 
Chappie said:
And do you think that the other groups that get a percentage of the tickets should come under the same scrutiny as you are suggesting for the loyalty points scheme.
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Yes. And when we discussed this with the club, they agreed. The only problem is if, say, Barclays ask for 4 tickets for an away game, these won't be named tickets. But that should be the only exception. But where an individual gets tickets through Hospitality, then they should also be included.

What we wanted was for the system to be fair to fans so that people aren't passing on tickets to people who aren't entitled to them.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Yes. And when we discussed this with the club, they agreed. The only problem is if, say, Barclays ask for 4 tickets for an away game, these won't be named tickets. But that should be the only exception. But where an individual gets tickets through Hospitality, then they should also be included.

What we wanted was for the system to be fair to fans so that people aren't passing on tickets to people who aren't entitled to them.
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Who decides who is and who isn’t entitled to them though. Why should Barclays receive four tickets in an away end? If we start promising sponsors guaranteed tickets for away games the genuine fan ends up being squeezed every time. If you have bought a ticket via points legitimately but on the day you are, for example too ill to travel of an emergency arises then of course you are going to try and sell your ticket to a fellow blue. You aren’t going to ask how many points do they have. How many people were routinely buying tickets, collecting points and then not attending games. It’s almost impossible to track paper tickets isn’t it. So how many were systemically abusing the system each week that led to away points being removed?
 
Eds said:
Who decides who is and who isn’t entitled to them though. Why should Barclays receive four tickets in an away end? If we start promising sponsors guaranteed tickets for away games the genuine fan ends up being squeezed every time. If you have bought a ticket via points legitimately but on the day you are, for example too ill to travel of an emergency arises then of course you are going to try and sell your ticket to a fellow blue. You aren’t going to ask how many points do they have. How many people were routinely buying tickets, collecting points and then not attending games. It’s almost impossible to track paper tickets isn’t it. So how many were systemically abusing the system each week that led to away points being removed?
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Don't be naive. If someone is paying us millions of pounds a year, they're going to get tickets. It's even written into the contract. I know Hays got them as I was at a game and saw someone I knew from when I'd done some work for them. He told me they got 4 tickets for any game they wanted them for.

No one has an issue with a last minute emergency meaning someone can't use their ticket and passes it to another blue.

But you're being naive again if you think the club didn't do their homework on away tickets. They were mostly very coy about their methods and I'm not going to talk about what little they did tell us but I'd be monitoring social media sites, having 'spotters' at games and doing test buying, among other things. Their evidence indicated that 25-30% of away tickets were being passed on and that's completely unacceptable. I know at least 2 former mods on here (not anyone who's currently moderating I hasten to add) were doing it regularly.

There was one game (might have been Cardiff away) where there were over 100 tickets available on this forum alone. I think that game (it was a 3pm kickoff on a Saturday) went to general sale and I was glad of the chance to go.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Don't be naive. If someone is paying us millions of pounds a year, they're going to get tickets. It's even written into the contract. I know Hays got them as I was at a game and saw someone I knew from when I'd done some work for them. He told me they got 4 tickets for any game they wanted them for.

No one has an issue with a last minute emergency meaning someone can't use their ticket and passes it to another blue.

But you're being naive again if you think the club didn't do their homework on away tickets. They were mostly very coy about their methods and I'm not going to talk about what little they did tell us but I'd be monitoring social media sites, having 'spotters' at games and doing test buying, among other things. Their evidence indicated that 25-30% of away tickets were being passed on and that's completely unacceptable. I know at least 2 former mods on here (not anyone who's currently moderating I hasten to add) were doing it regularly.

There was one game (might have been Cardiff away) where there were over 100 tickets available on this forum alone. I think that game (it was a 3pm kickoff on a Saturday) went to general sale and I was glad of the chance to go.
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I am not being naive, but my point still stands, why should sponsors receive sought after away tickets when they have little or no interest in the club. Give them home tickets not away ones. And just because people were on here or Meta/FB/X it doesn’t mean in all cases tickets were sold and it doesn’t mean people didn’t have genuine reasons for doing so every so often. Was it the same 25§ of people or different.
If it was 25% does that include OSC and hospitality tickets are just those through the points scheme? Still not convinced that those on top points did all the hard yards and then thought they couldn’t be bothered to watch the games live but will buy the tickets for the points. Have they now decided to travel to away games again given that many games, not all sell out at high points. Will be interesting to see how low the derby goes given dippers went to 23k. Does the club think it acceptable to have united fans in our away ends or groups of other club’s fans in our end or people paying £300 for a £30 ticket? Our away ends should be packed with genuine fans who will support the team, not fans of other clubs, people who are on a corporate jolly etc.
 
Mcfc1.9.8.0 said:
I don’t see the attraction with anfield it’s a horrible kip we never turn up and more often than not get beat I’ve fucked it off years ago
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I’d never swerve an away game based on how shit our record is at that particular ground because that’s not really what away games are about for me and many others. It’s about the quality of the day out and the atmosphere in the away end. To that end, Liverpool is far from the best these days, although it has to be said that it’s not usually too bad for a slurp in the city centre. The atmosphere though just seems to get worse as the years go by. It’s a match I used to do religiously year on year because even though our record there is wank, we’d still be loud and proud most of the time.

Last season was the first time I’d been for a few years and I wish I hadn’t bothered. It was the worst atmosphere in the City end at Anfield that I can ever remember. I was going to sack it off this year as a result because I pick and choose my away games these days but after we got beat again on Saturday I thought fuck it, I’m going!
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Don't be naive. If someone is paying us millions of pounds a year, they're going to get tickets. It's even written into the contract. I know Hays got them as I was at a game and saw someone I knew from when I'd done some work for them. He told me they got 4 tickets for any game they wanted them for.

No one has an issue with a last minute emergency meaning someone can't use their ticket and passes it to another blue.

But you're being naive again if you think the club didn't do their homework on away tickets. They were mostly very coy about their methods and I'm not going to talk about what little they did tell us but I'd be monitoring social media sites, having 'spotters' at games and doing test buying, among other things. Their evidence indicated that 25-30% of away tickets were being passed on and that's completely unacceptable. I know at least 2 former mods on here (not anyone who's currently moderating I hasten to add) were doing it regularly.

There was one game (might have been Cardiff away) where there were over 100 tickets available on this forum alone. I think that game (it was a 3pm kickoff on a Saturday) went to general sale and I was glad of the chance to go.
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25-30% of match tickets past on you say...but no actual evidence as the club 'coy about methods'. In terms of spotters at games (one of the methods), what are the details? Who were they spotting? They don't hold photo I'd of any of us...so I'm baffled as to what this entailed. Sorry but I don't believe the club. The real issue here is the increasingly smaller number of tickets available to point holders!
 
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