Time added on

[Mike S]

It's a waste of time ( No pun intended.) Nobody gives a fuck about watching 100 minutes because they've added 10 minutes on. The players are knackered and either one team is hanging on or another is going for a winner. If it's one team winning comfortably, as in our game at Luton, it's pointless. I think that's why the ref blew up bang on.

Fans are going to catch transport and get home, get in the pub etcetera. They'll only stay if the game is in the balance and even then loads leave.

I’m thinking the Far East betting syndicates were involved in the decision not to play any added time against Luton

 

[blueste41]

It's a waste of time ( No pun intended.) Nobody gives a fuck about watching 100 minutes because they've added 10 minutes on. The players are knackered and either one team is hanging on or another is going for a winner. If it's one team winning comfortably, as in our game at Luton, it's pointless. I think that's why the ref blew up bang on.

Fans are going to catch transport and get home, get in the pub etcetera. They'll only stay if the game is in the balance and even then loads leave.

The Luton game is surely because it was a cup game and goal difference plays no part?
If not how do these 3 examples of premier league games fit your theory?

31 Jan Burnley h 3 - 0 (6 minutes)

5 Feb Brentford a 1 - 3 (6 minutes)

10 Feb Everton h 2 - 0 (10 minutes)

 

[SilverFox2]

what obvious reasons?

genuimely I habeno idea how itcwpuld damage the game more tham the extra time rule

It wwpuld be based on the refs whistle to stop it or ball going out of play, at a goal kock or free kicks play remimes when tje ball has been played, a goalie fucking about wouldn't run down the clock as until he kicks it time is stopped.

Refs making up extra time as it stands is failing, plus this is about time wasting not on field VAR affected decisions and games, purely how we get 90 mins of football ll.

The refs are wank as are the changed rules, until offside and handball are sorted and we have competent refs, timewastingnamd stupid levels of added time will remain along with bad VAR decissions

My point is that those who run football want as much control as possible for refs and var so that they can selectively apply them or choose to ignore them. VAR simply gives them a second chance to apply or ignore their own rules.

 

[Gordyola]

Just show us on the big screen when the ref stops and restarts his watch. That way the players know and those of us watching know. How difficult would that be? It would certainly be more transparent

exactly but a large clock virtual or otherwise would suffice showing ball in play

 

[paulchapo]

The Luton game is surely because it was a cup game and goal difference plays no part?
If not how do these 3 examples of premier league games fit your theory?

31 Jan Burnley h 3 - 0 (6 minutes)

5 Feb Brentford a 1 - 3 (6 minutes)

10 Feb Everton h 2 - 0 (10 minutes)

It's not a theory the Luton game is fact, the ref blew up almost on 90 minutes. Are there different rules in the fa cup?

As for using extra minutes to improve goal difference I rarely see us do that. We have usually been passing the ball around conserving energy once we have the game won.

 

[Fordyboy46]

There's not a cat in hells chance that we'd have had 9-10 minutes injury time in that game yesterday at 0-0. It's totally down to the teams who are playing in my eyes and not about how many subs used etc. We had zero minutes added on against Luton, and if we're going by the rules there were 8 subs used so 4 minutes there plus any other stoppages. So the ref has made that decision off his own back to blow on 90, wrong!

 

[Gordyola]

The average ball in play time last season was 54’ 30”. I wouldn’t want 18 minutes injury time each half and then another 6 mins extra IJ due to the ball out of play in injury time and then another 2 mins extra extra IJ. Each half would last 71 minutes, a match kicking off at 3 would finish just before 6pm.

I’m not a fan of these lengthy injury times that have come into the game myself. Players are using it to add game breaks into the match and the refs are giving fewer cards for time wasting. There’s a clue in the term “injury time” telling us what the time added on is in lieu of.

It's not "injury time" its additional
If there was a stadium timekeeper who stopped the clock every time the ball wasn't inplay it would discourage the time wasting as the clock would be visible to everyone Each half 30mins Also if the play is stopped because the ref wants to check on a player, head injury, then the player has to leave the field of play regardless of any treatment or not this also includes play being stop whilst another player gives cramp treatment

 

[MadchesterCity]

Recent events in Nottingham prompted me to revisit the question of how much time Liverpool get added on. The answer is that over 17 matches since the beginning of November* a total of 146 additional minutes has been played at an average of 8.6 minutes per game.

When they are winning, that average decreases to 7.4 minutes each game.

When they are losing or drawing a game after 90 minutes, the average amount of additional time played is 9 minutes.

By contrast, when we are winning an average of 7.36 minutes is added, which is not a million miles from Liverpool, but when we need a goal we get (on average) 6.25 minutes to their 9.

Different people will draw different conclusions. There might be all sorts of reasons why that happens, but the figures do appear to indicate a trend.



* Games reviewed:

(date/opponents/score at 90 minutes/additional time played)

2/3/24 Forest (a) 0 - 0 (11 minutes)

21/2/24 Luton (h) 3 – 1 (9 minutes)

17/2/24 Brentford (a) 1 – 4 (8 minutes)

10/2/24 Burnley (h) 3 – 1 (9 minutes)

4/2/24 Arsenal (a) 2 – 1 (8 minutes)

31/1/24 Chelsea (h) 4 – 1 (6 minutes)

1/1/24 Newcastle (h) 4 – 2 (8 minutes)

26/12/23 Burnley (a) 0 – 1 (6 minutes)

23/12/23 Arsenal (h) 1 – 1 (6 minutes)

20/12/23 West Ham (h) 5 – 1 (5 minutes)

17/12/23 Man U (h) 0 – 0 (6 minutes)

9/12/23 Palace (a) 1 – 1 (13 minutes)

6/12/23 Sheff U (a) 0 – 1 (8 minutes)

3/12/23 Fulham (h) 4 – 3 (8 minutes)

25/11/23 City (a) 1 – 1 (9 minutes)

12/11/23 Brentford (h) 3 – 0 (7 minutes)

5/11/23 Luton (a) 1 – 0 (10 minutes)

Corrupt

 

[Gordyola]

If people think there is a conspiracy to the time keeping,then surly an independent time keeper will be in on it and nothing will change.

No because a clock is visible to all showing ball in play 30 mins

There as numerous simple improvements that could be made to show transparency which are not taken up makes me wonder why

 

[blueste41]

Ball in play time would be a much better metric, I can't find anything for this season but I did find this article from last season which may well be irrelevant to this discussion.

https://theanalyst.com/eu/2023/05/guide-to-premier-league-time-wasting/