Time To Back The Manager...

[Rammy Blue]

i would be absolutly livid if bob was replaced by anybody whatsoever.

regardless of where we finish.

You may say that now but what if that magnificent manager currently working at Loftus Road came available.....

 

[OB1]

Excellent post. I doubt that Mourinho will ever assume the manager's job at City as he no longer fits the profile for our next stage of development.

As has been stated by the owners, this is a "project". And a project has various phases, all requiring different managerial skills.

Phase 1 for us was Hughes. Got us away from the relegation zone (just about!) bought in a lot of big names, got us noticed, brought in a measure of modern managerial techniques and direction that was failing with the previous manager. He built the (shaky) foundations.

Phase 2 was Mancini. Cemented over the already laid foundations, buying real quality players, being a big enough managerial name to attract the best, transforming us tactically, imposing a winning mentality and most importantly, clearing the decks of the deadwood from the previous regimes. All done and dusted.

Phase 3 is winning things. Mancini has already achieved that. He has to keep on winning things now. But a manager of his nature may be too confrontational in his approach and it may grieve some the big earners. So he can just get rid of those players.

But he can't keep doing that. We couldn't afford it, and it is inevtiably a diminishing return... just like his final days at Inter.

Phase 4 will be the long-term manager. The one who smiles and is feted by the media, and develops the Academy. Who has a long-term strategy rather than the short-termism of the current regime. It's a "Father Figure" manager who will be the face of Manchester City for the next ten years.

And for me that's not going to be Mancini.

Outside bet? Guardiola. Ticks all the boxes.

That's a very good post although I'd certainly consider Jose to be capable of being the "Phase 4" manager.

I think people are letting what they see at Real Madrid cloud their judgement somewhat, which is understandable of course, but he is in an incredibly difficult situation of trying to out smart one of the greatest football sides to have ever played the game.

He's 5 points clear in La Liga (I think...) which is no mean feat and still in with a decent shout in the Chumps - should he win either of these this year he will achieved his goal.

Jose has mentioned about wanting his return to the Prem to be where he provides a legacy as a long term manager, I still reckon he wants this job and has belief that once he clicks his fingers the Sheikh will do his utmost to employ him.

Thanks for keeping the thread on topics gentlemen .... ;)

I'm on Soulboy's side of this particular fence to be honest. I just think the Mourinho ship has sailed for us. The one caveat is though, that I think Mancini is more than capable of being the Phase 4 manager too. Maybe not developing the academy, but that role needs to be given to someone else. Mancini should simply be ensuring that the way in which we play is implemented from youth teams upwards. If a player has the ability, and can play the way Mancini wants, and most importantly is good enough, he'll get his chance one way or another.

Lot of sense here.

 

[OB1]

Phase 3, 4, or 100? What the fuck is this made-up nonsense?
And who gives a shit if the media like the manager, as long as he is successful?
And what makes anyone think Guardiola would succeed anywhere else apart from Barca, where one of the best teams in the world has fallen into his lap? What makes anyone think he would succeed in England? And what makes anyone think he would come to England or to City of he did leave Barca?
Seems the anti-Mancini/pro-Mourinho mob are still alive and hiding in the sewers, but have little to slag him off at the moment. They are just there, waiting for him to fail and coming up with 'phase' bullshit to justify their inability to accept they were wrong, wrong, wrong.

I can't see anyone in this thread that's posted they want Mancini to fail, correct me if i'm wrong?

Why should this discussion/topic be so taboo?

Thanks for pointing that out!

I have never once EVER called for Mancini's head. I am just giving the view that with manager's it's "horses for courses"... and I believe that Mancini will not be the one to build a dynasty for us.

That's all.

Mancini is, in my humble opinion, a firefighter. Someone you call on to shake things up, to take people on, to change the culture of an organisation.

Baconface was like that, but had to evolve over the years to keep in step with the changing nature of football.

I hope Mancini will also be able to do that (and Billy Shears felt he would be) but we can't keep on being confrontational with players. It costs way too much sticking to that policy!

Hopefully when Tevez (and maybe de Jong in the summer) move on, what will be left will be HIS players and that we can leave the deadwood behind.

For me, I'd give Mancini a 5 year contract tomorrow. But I'm not the owner. And my point of view was my perception of what they might want in the future.

It's an opinion.

Bobby is big on continuous improvement and has spoken of working in England changing him so I think it is entirely possible that he will continue to evolve as a manager; especially if he really wants to stay for a long time.<br /><br />-- Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:44 pm --<br /><br />

Rammy fella, when has JM ever given any evidence that he would stay somewhere 10 years?

He has stated it in interview.

 

[gelly]

For those wanting Pep or Mourinho they may be better managers on the pitch in big games but will they be able to build a team? Mourinho turned down Silva who is on track to being the top 5 players in the world. Mourinho also isn't as great as Mancini in developing and bedding players. Pep and Mou have had a history of a couple of bad transfers. Mancini may be lacking in dealing in big european games compare to those two, but Mancini is one of the best managers in picking out talents and developing potential. Each manager has different strengths and weakness.

 

[Ric]

I think Mancini has had plenty of backing so far, and we have the squad to do the job. I think the board agree and want to comply with FFP. I don't think no transfers in this window means they don't have faith in him. I don't think he has a job for life, but at the same time not winning the league this season won't cost him his job in my opinion.

I don't think he is a stop gap manager who is keeping the seat warm for Mourinho, and I'm happy about that as I dislike Jose's style (except the winning and trophies, but I believe we'll get that with Bobby regardless).

I think the board have more patience than most clubs might have, and more than some give them credit for. I think they will have discussed what if situations at length with each other, maybe not covered everything but they will know nothing can be guaranteed 100% in sport. They will know what Mancini as a man is like, and trust him to raise, or continue to raise, the profile of the project. If my employers asked me where I want to be in 5 years, I am sure Bobby's would have.

I don't think he is cracking up under pressure, and I think he is great with certain players. The exceptions being mard arses like Tevez, Ade, Bridge and Nedum for example. He likes hard workand commitment, I think. I have no problems with the way he handles the media, or waving his hand at refs. If anything I'd like him to say more but that's it.

The interview with Platt a few weeks ago was most telling in my opinion. A man, fellow pro, colleague and friend who has known him 20 years talking about a determined winner who wants to make his mark and build a dynasty here as he was unable to do at Inter, but if given time would have.

In short, I think we have the right man for the job, the right man for us, and the board know it. Talk of the next man is very premature and potentially damaging, and I think he will prove anyone who thinks otherwise wrong. That's not to say his job is always going to be safe, but I think it is for now and will be barring an extraordinary turn of events.

Only my opinion though, of course, and we are all entitled to one.

Well said.

Obviously forums are for debating issues surrounding the club, but it seems a little inappropriate to be questioning the manager's credentials now when we are top of the league, and heading into the business end of the season. That can wait until summer.

The same people questioned his suitability at a similar stage last season, and he went on to deliver a trophy and Champion's League football so it would be prudent to wait and see how this season pans out before casting judgement.

The Mourinho issue lingers, as it has done for the last few seasons, but I don't see him coming here. I think he'll spend a few more years at Madrid, then go to United. Of course that's just my opinion, no one on here really knows where he'll end up.

I don't think the lack of signings this transfer window, or the fact a new contract hasn't been signed, point to significant doubts on behalf of the board. We're just adapting to FFPR.

 

[johnny crossan]

I think Mancini has had plenty of backing so far, and we have the squad to do the job. I think the board agree and want to comply with FFP. I don't think no transfers in this window means they don't have faith in him. I don't think he has a job for life, but at the same time not winning the league this season won't cost him his job in my opinion.

I don't think he is a stop gap manager who is keeping the seat warm for Mourinho, and I'm happy about that as I dislike Jose's style (except the winning and trophies, but I believe we'll get that with Bobby regardless).

I think the board have more patience than most clubs might have, and more than some give them credit for. I think they will have discussed what if situations at length with each other, maybe not covered everything but they will know nothing can be guaranteed 100% in sport. They will know what Mancini as a man is like, and trust him to raise, or continue to raise, the profile of the project. If my employers asked me where I want to be in 5 years, I am sure Bobby's would have.

I don't think he is cracking up under pressure, and I think he is great with certain players. The exceptions being mard arses like Tevez, Ade, Bridge and Nedum for example. He likes hard workand commitment, I think. I have no problems with the way he handles the media, or waving his hand at refs. If anything I'd like him to say more but that's it.

The interview with Platt a few weeks ago was most telling in my opinion. A man, fellow pro, colleague and friend who has known him 20 years talking about a determined winner who wants to make his mark and build a dynasty here as he was unable to do at Inter, but if given time would have.

In short, I think we have the right man for the job, the right man for us, and the board know it. Talk of the next man is very premature and potentially damaging, and I think he will prove anyone who thinks otherwise wrong. That's not to say his job is always going to be safe, but I think it is for now and will be barring an extraordinary turn of events.

Only my opinion though, of course, and we are all entitled to one.

Excellent post. The most damaging part of the Jose enthuisiasts agenda is the disservice it does to our owner. As sweep pointed out earlier, their implication that the Sheikh is short-termist, trigger-happy, unprofessional and fickle enough to replace Mancini with Mourinho is music to the ears of our competitors.

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

The same people start banging the mourinho drum at the same time every year Ric. Trying to be too clever for their own good

 

[Anonymous]

I think Mancini has had plenty of backing so far, and we have the squad to do the job. I think the board agree and want to comply with FFP. I don't think no transfers in this window means they don't have faith in him. I don't think he has a job for life, but at the same time not winning the league this season won't cost him his job in my opinion.

I don't think he is a stop gap manager who is keeping the seat warm for Mourinho, and I'm happy about that as I dislike Jose's style (except the winning and trophies, but I believe we'll get that with Bobby regardless).

I think the board have more patience than most clubs might have, and more than some give them credit for. I think they will have discussed what if situations at length with each other, maybe not covered everything but they will know nothing can be guaranteed 100% in sport. They will know what Mancini as a man is like, and trust him to raise, or continue to raise, the profile of the project. If my employers asked me where I want to be in 5 years, I am sure Bobby's would have.

I don't think he is cracking up under pressure, and I think he is great with certain players. The exceptions being mard arses like Tevez, Ade, Bridge and Nedum for example. He likes hard workand commitment, I think. I have no problems with the way he handles the media, or waving his hand at refs. If anything I'd like him to say more but that's it.

The interview with Platt a few weeks ago was most telling in my opinion. A man, fellow pro, colleague and friend who has known him 20 years talking about a determined winner who wants to make his mark and build a dynasty here as he was unable to do at Inter, but if given time would have.

In short, I think we have the right man for the job, the right man for us, and the board know it. Talk of the next man is very premature and potentially damaging, and I think he will prove anyone who thinks otherwise wrong. That's not to say his job is always going to be safe, but I think it is for now and will be barring an extraordinary turn of events.

Only my opinion though, of course, and we are all entitled to one.

Excellent post. The most damaging part of the Jose enthuisiasts agenda is the disservice it does to our owner. As sweep pointed out earlier, their implication that the Sheikh is short-termist, trigger-happy, unprofessional and fickle enough to replace Mancini with Mourinho is music to the ears of our competitors.

How desperately sad and undignified is it for a grown man like yourself to tie yourself up in knots over ridiculous conspiracy theories rather than respecting the the right of your fellow City supporters to carry an opinion contrary to yours without it being driven by an "agenda".

You've been a troll and a thorn in my side for over a year now. I'll happily confess, and it'll probably please you, that the last time I took an extended break from the forum it was a direct result of being tired of your sniping.

This about as honest and as respectful as I can be right now - I'd appreciate it if you tried to contribute to threads without making completely unnecessary and utterly offensive posts like this:

lie layered upon lie, you swallowed the baseless Cabal version whole.

No confusion TH, the Cabal smear Mancini at every opportunity and they use the fans forums to feed the media bottom feeders, who in turn regurgitate their bile. One objective - undermine the manager and get him replaced by Mourinho. Simple and sordid as that.

It's pretty clear that the code of conduct does't apply to you. Unfortunately that charity isn't extended to me so I can't really be anymore forthright. I hope at the very least you can respect my wishes as a fellow Blue and put this unnecessary and unfortunate agenda you have away for the rest of the season.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

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How desperately sad and undignified is it for a grown man like yourself to tie yourself up in knots over ridiculous conspiracy theories rather than respecting the the right of your fellow City supporters to carry an opinion contrary to yours without it being driven by an "agenda".

You've been a troll and a thorn in my side for over a year now. I'll happily confess, and it'll probably please you, that the last time I took an extended break from the forum it was a direct result of being tired of your sniping.

This about as honest and as respectful as I can be right now - I'd appreciate it if you tried to contribute to threads without making completely unnecessary and utterly offensive posts like this:



Methinks the Mancini-hater doth protest too much.

Not wanting to jump into a row between two posters that I don't know but FFS billy you need to grow a pair.

For the last 18 months or thereabouts you have been a constant sniper on this forum at Mancini and those of us who support the job he is doing (that would be about 99.99% of city fans)

Fact 1: Mancini took Hughes mid-table side and turned it into a Champs Lge side
Fact 2: He delivered our first trophy in 35 years
Fact 3: This season after finally getting the players in that he wanted he has us playing the best football I can remember seeing a top flight City side play in my lifetime (I'm 41)
Fact 4: We have great owners who appear to be here for the long haul. THe implied suggestion that they secretly want Mancini out and Mourinho in is frankly bollocks. Spending hugely again (wether now or in the summer) without raising cash first would be potentially disatrous in terms of FFP. You know it, we know it, they know it,the world knows it so the suggestion that this is proof of some sort of problem with Mancini is wishful-thinking I'm afraid.

I wouldn't want a poster who posts as often as yourself and some others to desert the forum as that would weaken bluemoon but for god's sake man just accept that you and your cohorts were wrong about RM last year and you're wrong now.

 

[Anonymous]

Methinks the Mancini-hater doth protest too much.

I didn't really need to read anything you posted after that - although I did and it confirmed what the above had hinted at. You've no idea what I think of Mancini - you're living in the 2010/2011 season. Maybe you should do a little research and have a read of some of the things I've posted THIS SEASON about him.

Seems there's a growing breed of posters who don't actually read what has been posted, but simply look at the username next to the post and reply based on that.