Time To Back The Manager...

[SWP's back]

Sniping being such a one way street as can be seen in the previous 5 pages Billy. Hell, you were even pulled up for it.<br /><br />-- Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:53 am --<br /><br />

I think Mancini has had plenty of backing so far, and we have the squad to do the job. I think the board agree and want to comply with FFP. I don't think no transfers in this window means they don't have faith in him. I don't think he has a job for life, but at the same time not winning the league this season won't cost him his job in my opinion.

I don't think he is a stop gap manager who is keeping the seat warm for Mourinho, and I'm happy about that as I dislike Jose's style (except the winning and trophies, but I believe we'll get that with Bobby regardless).

I think the board have more patience than most clubs might have, and more than some give them credit for. I think they will have discussed what if situations at length with each other, maybe not covered everything but they will know nothing can be guaranteed 100% in sport. They will know what Mancini as a man is like, and trust him to raise, or continue to raise, the profile of the project. If my employers asked me where I want to be in 5 years, I am sure Bobby's would have.

I don't think he is cracking up under pressure, and I think he is great with certain players. The exceptions being mard arses like Tevez, Ade, Bridge and Nedum for example. He likes hard workand commitment, I think. I have no problems with the way he handles the media, or waving his hand at refs. If anything I'd like him to say more but that's it.

The interview with Platt a few weeks ago was most telling in my opinion. A man, fellow pro, colleague and friend who has known him 20 years talking about a determined winner who wants to make his mark and build a dynasty here as he was unable to do at Inter, but if given time would have.

In short, I think we have the right man for the job, the right man for us, and the board know it. Talk of the next man is very premature and potentially damaging, and I think he will prove anyone who thinks otherwise wrong. That's not to say his job is always going to be safe, but I think it is for now and will be barring an extraordinary turn of events.

Only my opinion though, of course, and we are all entitled to one.

Great post and just about sums it up for me.

 

[Anonymous]

Sniping being such a one way street as can be seen in the previous 5 pages Billy. Hell, you were even pulled up for it.

Anyone who's read the entire thread can draw their own conclusions about who said what and when.

 

[johnny crossan]

Methinks the Mancini-hater doth protest too much.

I didn't really need to read anything you posted after that - although I did and it confirmed what the above had hinted at. You've no idea what I think of Mancini - you're living in the 2010/2011 season. Maybe you should do a little research and have a read of some of the things I've posted THIS SEASON about him.
Seems there's a growing breed of posters who don't actually read what has been posted, but simply look at the username next to the post and reply based on that.

You start a thread which looks like it's about backing the manager but it's really about a lack of support from

Not the supporters, not the players, but the owners and the board.

odd that
and then you slip this gem in

...As for Mourinho. He's the best manager in the world. Too many people judging him on the way Real have performed against Barca since he took over. His record speaks for itself. The way his former players speak about him in general, speaks for itself. The way he wins titles wherever he goes speaks for itself.

odd that
then you again imply a lack of trust by the owners

Interestingly enough, Mancini's made a couple of veiled references to not being able to bring in players this window even if Carlos et al are moved on. The very fact that these decisions are being made above the manager's head worries me a little. It's not a big deal, but you do have to wonder....last summer they tried to get him to sign Hoillet or Young instead of Nasri or Sneijder.

odd that
then Tolmie points out the Mourinho elephant in the thread
then Dismal agrees Mancini's job is on the line
but no off message comments from the OP
odd that

but if you say there's no agenda

 

[Anonymous]

Methinks the Mancini-hater doth protest too much.

I didn't really need to read anything you posted after that - although I did and it confirmed what the above had hinted at. You've no idea what I think of Mancini - you're living in the 2010/2011 season. Maybe you should do a little research and have a read of some of the things I've posted THIS SEASON about him.
Seems there's a growing breed of posters who don't actually read what has been posted, but simply look at the username next to the post and reply based on that.

You start a thread which looks like it's about backing the manager but it's really about a lack of support from

Not the supporters, not the players, but the owners and the board.

odd that
and then you slip this gem in

...As for Mourinho. He's the best manager in the world. Too many people judging him on the way Real have performed against Barca since he took over. His record speaks for itself. The way his former players speak about him in general, speaks for itself. The way he wins titles wherever he goes speaks for itself.

odd that
then you again imply a lack of trust by the owners

Interestingly enough, Mancini's made a couple of veiled references to not being able to bring in players this window even if Carlos et al are moved on. The very fact that these decisions are being made above the manager's head worries me a little. It's not a big deal, but you do have to wonder....last summer they tried to get him to sign Hoillet or Young instead of Nasri or Sneijder.

odd that
then Tolmie points out the Mourinho elephant in the thread
then Dismal agrees Mancini's job is on the line
but no off message comments from the OP
odd that

but if you say there's no agenda

The only thing I find odd is your haranguing of three or four posters because you don't like their opinions. Once again, we all support the same team. You should respect that a little more.

 

[johnny crossan]

The only thing I find odd is your haranguing of three or four posters because you don't like their opinions. Once again, we all support the same team. You should respect that a little more.

right

You have to be all new levels of paranoid to believe the shit he's spouting.

respect?

 

[Anonymous]

The only thing I find odd is your haranguing of three or four posters because you don't like their opinions. Once again, we all support the same team. You should respect that a little more.

right

You have to be all new levels of paranoid to believe the shit he's spouting.

respect?

What do you expect ? You need to give a little if you want a little back. It's not that hard to understand.

Read the thread again. It's pretty apparent who the people are who are looking for a personal argument and those who are just interested in discussing the original point.

For the record, if I wanted to I could dig up every snide comment you've made in the last month and it wouldn't paint you in a particularly flattering light either. Like I said, it's time for you to accept that we all support the same team even if we have different opinions about players, managers, whatever.

 

[Damocles]

The only thing I find odd is your haranguing of three or four posters because you don't like their opinions. Once again, we all support the same team. You should respect that a little more.

right

You have to be all new levels of paranoid to believe the shit he's spouting.

respect?

What do you expect ? You need to give a little if you want a little back. It's not that hard to understand.

Read the thread again. It's pretty apparent who the people are who are looking for a personal argument and those who are just interested in discussing the original point.

For the record, if I wanted to I could dig up every snide comment you've made in the last month and it wouldn't paint you in a particularly flattering light either. Like I said, it's time for you to accept that we all support the same team even if we have different opinions about players, managers, whatever.

This is true, which is why you were asked twice to stop making posts that have no relevance or point other than to attack other users. This is now the third time of asking you personally, and the fourth time of asking this thread specifically to calm down.

We are just going to pull this thread in a minute, can you not just all talk about football instead of producing your own episode of Mean Girls?

 

[samharris]

I think Mancini has had plenty of backing so far, and we have the squad to do the job. I think the board agree and want to comply with FFP. I don't think no transfers in this window means they don't have faith in him. I don't think he has a job for life, but at the same time not winning the league this season won't cost him his job in my opinion.

I don't think he is a stop gap manager who is keeping the seat warm for Mourinho, and I'm happy about that as I dislike Jose's style (except the winning and trophies, but I believe we'll get that with Bobby regardless).

I think the board have more patience than most clubs might have, and more than some give them credit for. I think they will have discussed what if situations at length with each other, maybe not covered everything but they will know nothing can be guaranteed 100% in sport. They will know what Mancini as a man is like, and trust him to raise, or continue to raise, the profile of the project. If my employers asked me where I want to be in 5 years, I am sure Bobby's would have.

I don't think he is cracking up under pressure, and I think he is great with certain players. The exceptions being mard arses like Tevez, Ade, Bridge and Nedum for example. He likes hard workand commitment, I think. I have no problems with the way he handles the media, or waving his hand at refs. If anything I'd like him to say more but that's it.

The interview with Platt a few weeks ago was most telling in my opinion. A man, fellow pro, colleague and friend who has known him 20 years talking about a determined winner who wants to make his mark and build a dynasty here as he was unable to do at Inter, but if given time would have.

In short, I think we have the right man for the job, the right man for us, and the board know it. Talk of the next man is very premature and potentially damaging, and I think he will prove anyone who thinks otherwise wrong. That's not to say his job is always going to be safe, but I think it is for now and will be barring an extraordinary turn of events.

Only my opinion though, of course, and we are all entitled to one.

Well said.

Obviously forums are for debating issues surrounding the club, but it seems a little inappropriate to be questioning the manager's credentials now when we are top of the league, and heading into the business end of the season. That can wait until summer.

The same people questioned his suitability at a similar stage last season, and he went on to deliver a trophy and Champion's League football so it would be prudent to wait and see how this season pans out before casting judgement.

The Mourinho issue lingers, as it has done for the last few seasons, but I don't see him coming here. I think he'll spend a few more years at Madrid, then go to United. Of course that's just my opinion, no one on here really knows where he'll end up.

I don't think the lack of signings this transfer window, or the fact a new contract hasn't been signed, point to significant doubts on behalf of the board. We're just adapting to FFPR.

Quote;
"I don't think the lack of signings this transfer window, or the fact a new contract hasn't been signed, point to significant doubts on behalf of the board. We're just adapting to FFPR".


If you'd have said that 30 pages ago Ric this thread wouldnt have got this far...

Adapting to FFPR sums it up perfectly..

 

[SWP's back]

Plus he never explained his post to me or gave me the details of the meet

 

[Anonymous]

This is true, which is why you were asked twice to stop making posts that have no relevance or point other than to attack other users. This is now the third time of asking you personally, and the fourth time of asking this thread specifically to calm down.

We are just going to pull this thread in a minute, can you not just all talk about football instead of producing your own episode of Mean Girls?

With respect I'd be more inclined to listen to something you were saying if you managed to moderate with a modicum of impartiality.