Time To Back The Manager...

[mancboy123]

Looks like Hazard is going to chelski it doesnt seem they are overly concerned with FFP.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I understand exactly what you are saying, in a sense it seems churlish to not spend when we are so close to realising the dream and that is exactly the position of the manager. One or two more players as cover and the squad should be complete.

I know in a sense I am repeating myself but the club has clearly set a budget now and if the press are to be believed Aguero was lined up as a replacement for Tevez, with the latters change of mind probably meaning the contingency money has alredy been spent. At some point I suppose the club had to say no.

I think at the moment we find ourselves suffering from a very unfotunate set of circumstances. African nations cup, suspension of the club captain has left us very short at the back. However Savic wasnt cheap and at nine million you would expect his development to be advanced enough to fill in for a small number of games.

Furthermore I would have preferred to see the youngsters utilised more, two years ago Boyata stepped up against United in the semi and so you would think with two years more experience he could be utilised, with Owen Coyle stating he could be recalled by City. I suppose you cannot cover for every eventuality and I would be surprised if we could purchase a player who would walk into the first team, otherwise he will just be fattening the squad.

The problem with young players is you just don't know what you're going to get unless they are truly in the top bracket. The rags and Phil Jones is a great example. The Vidic injury has cost them because Jones isn't as good as they thought he was. They now run the very real risk of finishing 3rd if Spurs do better in their upcoming tough run of games than the rags do. It shows that being unlucky with injuries or suspensions can be extremely costly.

Another thing which I think is important is that Mancini wouldn't be going on and on about the lack of bodies he has if he didn't know exactly which players he wants. So it comes back to do you spend now, or do you spend in the summer.

Regarding Tevez/Aguero. My understanding is that Mancini said last summer that he absolutely wanted 4 strikers. Being out of the CL has probably meant that he's not as bothered about that, but lets for arguments sake say we were still in that competition - I imagine Mancini would be even more stressed, and even more vocal in his need for more players.

I am Bobbys biggest fan but if he felt there was shortcomings in the squad he should have brought other players in, within the budget provided. Its an unprecedented situation for us of late with injuries, but can you buy players on the premise, to replace players missing in the short term?

Like you said this is not unique to Bobby, Arsenal are crying out for a centre half, United for a creative midfielder its part of the game and a situation the manager has to contend with. When the African nations cup is over, we will have Kompany, Lescott, Tours and Savic, with the option of Micah to fill in or if still available Nedum. Would we need another player then ? Which probably refelcts the clubs viewpoint.

-- Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:40 pm --

It's exactly the reason Mancini and Cook fell out over the summer.

ADUG are still new to this game, Roberto knows it inside out.

ADUG are not beyond making mistakes, as they showed by showing faith in Mark Hughes.

They should forget what other people may think of us and go and finish the job they started.

That means De Rossi, Cavani, Hazard and Hummels.

Then they can sit back and watch the fruits of their fabulous generosity for years to come and without having to spend for another five years.

Or are we actually admitting that FFPR has done what it intended, to keep Manchester City down?

Shiekh Mansour offered £108m for one fucking player, imagine now what we could do in this window.

What are we waiting for, take us.

Couldnt agree more, the title is in touching distance, give the manager what he wants.

The addition of those players would cause more problems than they are worth. City of all clubs, now, should know the problem of having so many top players not getting a game. I would prefer us not to go down the same road again. Many on this forum consider Dzeko a confience player who needs game time, De Jong also. The addition of even more players will not improve this situtaion.

Remember Rodney Marsh :-)

The reality is that some are not good enough, others have been left behind by the progress.

The fringes of this squad needs a good purge, I'd say at least seven players to set us up for next five years without any other spend.

Would sell - De Jong, Bridge, Santa Cruz, Adebayor, Kolarov, Kolo, Tevez, Johnson, Nasri, Nimley, Onuoha, Weiss, Savic, Dzeko.

Harsh, but there's £150m in transfer fees and £80m in wages.

 

[franksinatra]

The problem with young players is you just don't know what you're going to get unless they are truly in the top bracket. The rags and Phil Jones is a great example. The Vidic injury has cost them because Jones isn't as good as they thought he was. They now run the very real risk of finishing 3rd if Spurs do better in their upcoming tough run of games than the rags do. It shows that being unlucky with injuries or suspensions can be extremely costly.

Another thing which I think is important is that Mancini wouldn't be going on and on about the lack of bodies he has if he didn't know exactly which players he wants. So it comes back to do you spend now, or do you spend in the summer.

Regarding Tevez/Aguero. My understanding is that Mancini said last summer that he absolutely wanted 4 strikers. Being out of the CL has probably meant that he's not as bothered about that, but lets for arguments sake say we were still in that competition - I imagine Mancini would be even more stressed, and even more vocal in his need for more players.

I am Bobbys biggest fan but if he felt there was shortcomings in the squad he should have brought other players in, within the budget provided. Its an unprecedented situation for us of late with injuries, but can you buy players on the premise, to replace players missing in the short term?

Like you said this is not unique to Bobby, Arsenal are crying out for a centre half, United for a creative midfielder its part of the game and a situation the manager has to contend with. When the African nations cup is over, we will have Kompany, Lescott, Tours and Savic, with the option of Micah to fill in or if still available Nedum. Would we need another player then ? Which probably refelcts the clubs viewpoint.

-- Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:40 pm --

Couldnt agree more, the title is in touching distance, give the manager what he wants.

The addition of those players would cause more problems than they are worth. City of all clubs, now, should know the problem of having so many top players not getting a game. I would prefer us not to go down the same road again. Many on this forum consider Dzeko a confience player who needs game time, De Jong also. The addition of even more players will not improve this situtaion.

Remember Rodney Marsh :-)

The reality is that some are not good enough, others have been left behind by the progress.

The fringes of this squad needs a good purge, I'd say at least seven players to set us up for next five years without any other spend.

Would sell - De Jong, Bridge, Santa Cruz, Adebayor, Kolarov, Kolo, Tevez, Johnson, Nasri, Nimley, Weiss, Savic, Dzeko.

Harsh, but there's £150m in transfer fees and £80m in wages.

That is the issue getting rid of some of those players. Purges are for the summer not the January transfer window.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

The problem with young players is you just don't know what you're going to get unless they are truly in the top bracket. The rags and Phil Jones is a great example. The Vidic injury has cost them because Jones isn't as good as they thought he was. They now run the very real risk of finishing 3rd if Spurs do better in their upcoming tough run of games than the rags do. It shows that being unlucky with injuries or suspensions can be extremely costly.

Another thing which I think is important is that Mancini wouldn't be going on and on about the lack of bodies he has if he didn't know exactly which players he wants. So it comes back to do you spend now, or do you spend in the summer.

Regarding Tevez/Aguero. My understanding is that Mancini said last summer that he absolutely wanted 4 strikers. Being out of the CL has probably meant that he's not as bothered about that, but lets for arguments sake say we were still in that competition - I imagine Mancini would be even more stressed, and even more vocal in his need for more players.

I am Bobbys biggest fan but if he felt there was shortcomings in the squad he should have brought other players in, within the budget provided. Its an unprecedented situation for us of late with injuries, but can you buy players on the premise, to replace players missing in the short term?

Like you said this is not unique to Bobby, Arsenal are crying out for a centre half, United for a creative midfielder its part of the game and a situation the manager has to contend with. When the African nations cup is over, we will have Kompany, Lescott, Tours and Savic, with the option of Micah to fill in or if still available Nedum. Would we need another player then ? Which probably refelcts the clubs viewpoint.

-- Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:40 pm --

Couldnt agree more, the title is in touching distance, give the manager what he wants.

The addition of those players would cause more problems than they are worth. City of all clubs, now, should know the problem of having so many top players not getting a game. I would prefer us not to go down the same road again. Many on this forum consider Dzeko a confience player who needs game time, De Jong also. The addition of even more players will not improve this situtaion.

Remember Rodney Marsh :-)

The reality is that some are not good enough, others have been left behind by the progress.

The fringes of this squad needs a good purge, I'd say at least seven players to set us up for next five years without any other spend.

Would sell - De Jong, Bridge, Santa Cruz, Adebayor, Kolarov, Kolo, Tevez, Johnson, Nasri, Nimley, Weiss, Savic, Dzeko.

Harsh, but there's £150m in transfer fees and £80m in wages.

Summer would be the time to purge, not now. WE need to be buying world class players and there aren't many around.

Seem to remember you labelling the likes of Barry, Richards and Milner as not good enough this time last year ;-)

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

A signing of any great magnitude at this precise moment could have the 'Rodney' effect and i'm not alluding to the plonker kind...

We'll manage with what we've got and i for one think it will keep the wheels turning, De Rossi would bring more problems to our style than good, would also be the end of the superb connection Yaya and gazbaz have forged, and the reality is De Rossi isn't coming to warm the Subaru bench - if it isn't broke don't fix it!!!!

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I am Bobbys biggest fan but if he felt there was shortcomings in the squad he should have brought other players in, within the budget provided. Its an unprecedented situation for us of late with injuries, but can you buy players on the premise, to replace players missing in the short term?

Like you said this is not unique to Bobby, Arsenal are crying out for a centre half, United for a creative midfielder its part of the game and a situation the manager has to contend with. When the African nations cup is over, we will have Kompany, Lescott, Tours and Savic, with the option of Micah to fill in or if still available Nedum. Would we need another player then ? Which probably refelcts the clubs viewpoint.

-- Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:40 pm --



The addition of those players would cause more problems than they are worth. City of all clubs, now, should know the problem of having so many top players not getting a game. I would prefer us not to go down the same road again. Many on this forum consider Dzeko a confience player who needs game time, De Jong also. The addition of even more players will not improve this situtaion.

Remember Rodney Marsh :-)

The reality is that some are not good enough, others have been left behind by the progress.

The fringes of this squad needs a good purge, I'd say at least seven players to set us up for next five years without any other spend.

Would sell - De Jong, Bridge, Santa Cruz, Adebayor, Kolarov, Kolo, Tevez, Johnson, Nasri, Nimley, Weiss, Savic, Dzeko.

Harsh, but there's £150m in transfer fees and £80m in wages.

That is the issue getting rid of some of those players. Purges are for the summer not the January transfer window.

I completely agree, but you can spend some now, knowing you then have three months to ship out some of the dead wood.

Our focus would be completely on this, rather than recruitment.

 

[franksinatra]

A signing of any great magnitude at this precise moment could have the 'Rodney' effect and i'm not alluding to the plonker kind...

We'll manage with what we've got and i for one think it will keep the wheels turning, De Rossi would bring more problems to our style than good, would also be the end of the superb connection Yaya and gazbaz have forged, and the reality is De Rossi isn't coming to warm the Subaru bench - if it isn't broke don't fix it!!!!

Completely agree with this. Without trying to be stereotypical Italian midfielders tend to struggle to settle instantly within the UK, a fact heightended by DDRs strong connection to Rome. Bringing a player into the heat of a championship battle is not ideal, particularly when the team is seetled in that area. It would prove divisive, Barry would question his value to the team and if DDR was left out I could imagine their being problems. From the outside it look like we have a settled squad and good team spirit for the first time in years.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I am Bobbys biggest fan but if he felt there was shortcomings in the squad he should have brought other players in, within the budget provided. Its an unprecedented situation for us of late with injuries, but can you buy players on the premise, to replace players missing in the short term?

Like you said this is not unique to Bobby, Arsenal are crying out for a centre half, United for a creative midfielder its part of the game and a situation the manager has to contend with. When the African nations cup is over, we will have Kompany, Lescott, Tours and Savic, with the option of Micah to fill in or if still available Nedum. Would we need another player then ? Which probably refelcts the clubs viewpoint.

-- Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:40 pm --



The addition of those players would cause more problems than they are worth. City of all clubs, now, should know the problem of having so many top players not getting a game. I would prefer us not to go down the same road again. Many on this forum consider Dzeko a confience player who needs game time, De Jong also. The addition of even more players will not improve this situtaion.

Remember Rodney Marsh :-)

The reality is that some are not good enough, others have been left behind by the progress.

The fringes of this squad needs a good purge, I'd say at least seven players to set us up for next five years without any other spend.

Would sell - De Jong, Bridge, Santa Cruz, Adebayor, Kolarov, Kolo, Tevez, Johnson, Nasri, Nimley, Weiss, Savic, Dzeko.

Harsh, but there's £150m in transfer fees and £80m in wages.

Summer would be the time to purge, not now. WE need to be buying world class players and there aren't many around.

Seem to remember you labelling the likes of Barry, Richards and Milner as not good enough this time last year ;-)

Only Barry and Lescott, oh, and Boateng!

 

[Chippy_boy]

The thing is as well, we wouldn't have to pay over the odds to sign players now.

Previously the only way we could tempt the top talent was to sell them on the vision, but more importantly the hyped wages and transfer fees.

But now, with silverware under our belt, CL next season a virtual certainty and sitting top of the best league in the world, you would imagine we would not be short of players keen to join us.

I suspect we have just as much "player-appeal" as the rags and quite possibly more. And we aren't skint.

 

[Balti]

with the Europa looming I think it's more a question of managing, rotating and safeguarding the resources that we have for the league campaign rather than a need to strengthen

the summer will be different when another CL campaign beckons and we can look back on this seasons lessons about rotation and strength in depth