Todays other games

[inbetween]

Anyone else notice the beautiful offside line they were playing and then starting yelling when right before the pass Neville inexplicably runs back beyond that perfectly formed line to play EVERY United player on side?

Really terrible defending, it's been coming because RVP has been caught offside a couple of times now where he would of been clean through.

 

[LoveCity]

Anyone else notice the beautiful offside line they were playing and then starting yelling when right before the pass Neville inexplicably runs back beyond that perfectly formed line to play EVERY United player on side?

He scored an own goal a few years ago too, once a red, always a red it seems. ****.

 

[BlueCityfan]

Even if they lost....it's would still be over IMO. I'd be surprised if we even cut the gap with a few points this season, let alone 12 points.

 

[GHoddle]

I thought Phil Jones had shingles.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Simple football doesn't take 20-30 fucking passes to get it into the net hope Mancini is watching.

 

[Tevez City]

Mancini should be on the stand watching all their games, maybe he can learn some thing from Ferguson.

 

[bluemathlady]

Why am I watching this..

 

[Stoned Rose]

Just watching Utd game which is not something I often do. Maybe 5 or 6 times a season.

It's interesting in that they do 4 things we dont-

1. They dont try to 'control' the game. They are happy to let Everton have the ball and come at them. Everton have had a lot of ball but nothing to show for it.

2, Whenever in possession everything they do is forward thinking and done with speed. You can see the thought process and instinct is 'go'. Ours isnt.

3. They use a variety of attacking methods and positions. We are much more one dimensional and readable.

4. They are ruthless when given a chance to score. We aren't.

From what I can see they make it simple. We don't.

This isn't just down to one player (RVP) they have a better system than us and they execute theirs better than we do.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Take van persie out and they still have an excellent squad. Its there system which makes them so successful not individual players. For us its the opposite.

You are not arguing against my point, though. I said they would be an average side (ie, top ten, maybe top six if they overacheived). Take Van Persie out of the squad and how many points would they have this season? Take Rooney out last year and how close would they have been to us? I am an economist so I know those questions are very simplistic and don't factor all sorts of variable dependent and independent on their inclusion/exclusive but my overall pint is the probability of their success goes down significantly based on their current level of influence. You cannot make the same argument of the exclusion of De Gea, Giggs, Evra, Vidic, Hernandez, or perhaps even Rooney (this season). That is the definition of a squad carried primarily by one player. I never said Ferguson didn't know what he was doing; in fact he very much does. That is the unfortunate situation we have to deal with: a manager that can win things with an ok squad and a marquee player.

If Van Persie wasn't playing then Rooney would be up-top scoring goals. Its a feeble argument, 'take Van Persie's goals out and look at their points total'.. You could do the exact same thing with Messi and Ronaldo, or Falcao/Cavani/Suarez or any other in form striker.

I really disagree with your and Greased's belief that Barça and Madrid would be poor if you took Messi or Ronaldo out. My argument is not bad because you can find another situation that would not be correct if you applied it there (your response is fallacious and/or a poor debating tactic).

But I think it is time to move on. I didn't mean to start a heated debate, and although I really disagree, I think the conversation has played out to the point that neither of us will convince the other of our argument.

 

[citytill1die84]

The Rags will win the league by 20 points.