Today's shooting in America thread

BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
What's more likely?
1) An intruder or intruders invade your household; you somehow wake everyone up and move upstairs; you warn the intruder(s) that you're armed and not to come upstairs; the intruder(s) nonetheless go upstairs; the intruder(s) are armed and will kill you or your family if you don't take action; and you shoot one or more of them dead saving yourself/family; or any one of
2) Intruders invade but any one or more of the steps above fail;
3) Your children are curious about this fabulous weapon you have and one of them finds your gun and accidentally shoots a family member;
4) You, your wife or one of your children become traumatized by some event. Life isn't worth living - or so the traumatized person thinks. In a brief moment of absolute grief, knowing where there's an easy way to end ones own life, they commit suicide via gun;
5) Your children are proud of you. They talk up the gun you own in class. Other children press back in disbelief: "Prove it," they say. And so one of your children takes classmates into wherever your gun is stashed and proceeds to take out the gun.

"Whoa! How cool!" some exclaim.

"Fake gun!" others state. Prove it's real.

Unfortunate events unfold leading to a shooting injury/death.
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TL/DR - Is it more likely that by keeping a gun in your household that death to you or a family member results - than it is likely that the presence of the gun saves you or a household member from death at the hands of an intruder?

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Injuries and deaths due to firearms in the home - PubMed

Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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OK - the above study doesn't apply to you. You're not suicidal, nor are your wife/children. And you've carefully trained your children in gun safety.

I'm pretty sure that these exact thoughts passed through the minds of home protection gun purchasers who subsequently became a negative statistic in the above study.
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My “kids” are adults (23/25).
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Haha!
Not a gun owner are we?!
Fingerprint lock, by my bed, you’re dead in 3 seconds!

Wanna test the thesis?! Haha!
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Seeing as you’ve never fired it in anger never mind at an individual I wouldn’t be so cocksure that you’d be able to do it. In fact I’d be more worried if the situation arose if you injuring a family member. You just don’t know how you’ll react in a situation you’ve never come across before.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
“Assault rifle” is, to pardon the pun, a loaded phrase. It’s a handgun you fire from your shoulder, with a longer barrel. The “gun” is exactly the same: semi-automatic.
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Artillery is a loaded phrase.

Its just a gun you fire from the ground with a longer barrel.



...neither is true is it? There's no one buying 9mm Assault rifles, so straight away were taking about much bigger ammunition, with higher velocity rounds that do more damage and are much more likely to go through walls and do collateral damage. No one has hollow point ammo for an AR15 style weapon.

They dont have 8-12 round magazines like a handgun, more likely 30+.

Not being in your hand, but braced by a stock against the shoulder means you can shoot them much more quickly even as a semi automatic. Not to mention bump stocks that can turn a semi-automatic AR15 into an automatic - no equivalent for a handgun.


We might not be gun nuts, but come on, don't write comments that insult everyone's intelligence by pretending handguns and assault rifles are the same.
 
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domalino said:
Artillery is a loaded phrase.

Its just a gun you fire from the ground with a longer barrel.



...neither is true is it? There's no one buying 9mm Assault rifles, so straight away were taking about much bigger ammunition, with higher velocity rounds that do more damage and are much more likely to go through walls and do collateral damage. No one has hollow point ammo for an AR15 style weapon.

They dont have 8-12 round magazines like a handgun, more likely 30+.

Not being in your hand, but braced by a stock against the shoulder means you can shoot them much more quickly even as a semi automatic. Not to mention bump stocks that can turn a semi-automatic AR15 into an automatic - no equivalent for a handgun.


We might not be gun nuts, but come on, don't write comments that insult everyone's intelligence by pretending handguns and assault rifles are the same.
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Most AR15’s are chambered with a .223, a much smaller caliber than a 9mm (equivalent of a .45
 
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