Toni Kroos

[domalino]

Well, you are about to get an earful about how he stopped a goal bound shot twds the end of the game. So therefore, he plays massive defense.

Like I said, what I saw was Yaya without the goalscoring threat, and a little better completion. But what do I know.

Yep, I'm sure Pep is so desperate to spend £60m on him because he's just "Yaya without the goals"

But what does Guardiola know compared to Dax777?

 

[Neville Kneville]

Well, you are about to get an earful about how he stopped a goal bound shot twds the end of the game. So therefore, he plays massive defense.

Like I said, what I saw was Yaya without the goalscoring threat, and a little better completion. But what do I know.

Yaya occasionally gets blocks in. Just not very often. Like Kroos.

But he's stronger, faster even now, better in the air far far better at shooting. Imo no less able as a passer, it's just that we don't ask him to play that role.

When Kroos attacked the French box, you knew, as with Silva, it's unlikely to end in a shot on goal. If that's Yaya, it ends in a shot & sometimes a goal.

Yaya minus a stone in weight is on another planet to Kroos imo.

If Pep is determined to do this then of course he gets what he wants, but I think he already has the players to do that job.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Question.

Why is it ok for 26 year old Kroos to jog around & barely do a tap of work when he loses the ball, never shoot & create no chances but Yaya gets fucking slaughtered for it ?

Pogba was getting in blocks in his own box, passing the ball around in midfield & creating stuff in the German box. He was constantly passing through Kroos' area on his way.

If Yaya turned in exactly the same performance for City as Kroos did for Germany tonight, he would get fucking murdered on here. Yet this guy is praised. He had two minders, exactly as I have been begging Pellegrini to do with Yaya all season.

Kroos in a two, vs Liverpool, would be eaten alive, just like Yaya. But if we sign him, we will never ever see that. Yet Yaya had to do it most games.

Why can't we give him a try, loafing around spraying passes like Kroos does & doing fuck all else ? Yaya has so much more ability.

must have watched a different game.

Shots: Kroos 2, Pogba 2. Blocks: Kroos 1, Pogba 0. Clearances: Kroos 1, Pogba 2. Interceptions: Kroos 1, Pogba 1. Aerial Duels won: Kroos 2, Pogba 0. Tackles: Kroos 2/3, Pogba 0/3. Take-ons: Kroos 5/6, Pogba 3/3, Chances created: Kroos 2, Pogba 2, Passing: Kroos 84 pass (89% accuracy), Pogba 29 passes (82% accuracy).

 

[Don Karleone]

After tonights game. Kroos over Pogba any day

 

[Tevez City]

Yep, I'm sure Pep is so desperate to spend £60m on him because he's just "Yaya without the goals"

But what does Guardiola know compared to Dax777?

Kroos had 1 goal in the League last season, Yaya had 6.

 

[domalino]

Kroos had 1 goal in the League last season, Yaya had 6.

You seem to have completely misunderstood my post.

 

[Sir peace frog]

Without looking at the stats for me kroos ran the game pogba was pretty quiet until he was moved further forward

 

[cucumberman]

Question.

Why is it ok for 26 year old Kroos to jog around & barely do a tap of work when he loses the ball, never shoot & create no chances but Yaya gets fucking slaughtered for it ?

Pogba was getting in blocks in his own box, passing the ball around in midfield & creating stuff in the German box. He was constantly passing through Kroos' area on his way.

If Yaya turned in exactly the same performance for City as Kroos did for Germany tonight, he would get fucking murdered on here. Yet this guy is praised. He had two minders, exactly as I have been begging Pellegrini to do with Yaya all season.

Kroos in a two, vs Liverpool, would be eaten alive, just like Yaya. But if we sign him, we will never ever see that. Yet Yaya had to do it most games.

Why can't we give him a try, loafing around spraying passes like Kroos does & doing fuck all else ? Yaya has so much more ability.

You are quite right. Yaya can do all these things and better when he's bothered. But Yaya's getting on a bit and when he barely works he really barely works. Kroos is for me the closest we can get to Yaya's passing and taking on the defenders. Prime Yaya can never be replaced. He is one of best midfielders that I have ever seen, who happens to have an idiot for an agent.

Kroos is close to reaching the heights of Yaya. I thought the sum of it's parts, Kroos is a better player than Pogba today in terms of playmaking. Pogba can be marked. In terms of attacking contribution Pogba is faster and stronger.

 

[Dax777]

Yep, I'm sure Pep is so desperate to spend £60m on him because he's just "Yaya without the goals"

But what does Guardiola know compared to Dax777?

Yaya in his prime even without the goals was fantastic footballer.. And that Kroos is a fantastically sound technical footballer is not in question.

That he lacks Athletism, and puts in below average effort defensively to no complaints here, is what's at issue.

And your attempts to use one block as evidence he worked hard, when time after time on lots of the French attack he was the least aggressive of CM of the 3 on display and shied away from battle. Something Yaya gets slated for here constantly.

But feel free to Stoke the red herring argument. You have a knack for it.

 

[Clercqs]

Question.

Why is it ok for 26 year old Kroos to jog around & barely do a tap of work when he loses the ball, never shoot & create no chances but Yaya gets fucking slaughtered for it ?

Pogba was getting in blocks in his own box, passing the ball around in midfield & creating stuff in the German box. He was constantly passing through Kroos' area on his way.

If Yaya turned in exactly the same performance for City as Kroos did for Germany tonight, he would get fucking murdered on here. Yet this guy is praised. He had two minders, exactly as I have been begging Pellegrini to do with Yaya all season.

Kroos in a two, vs Liverpool, would be eaten alive, just like Yaya. But if we sign him, we will never ever see that. Yet Yaya had to do it most games.

Why can't we give him a try, loafing around spraying passes like Kroos does & doing fuck all else ? Yaya has so much more ability.

Kroos was by far Germanys best player tonight. And even if they did lose he outperformed Pogba. Don't get me wrong, I think Pogba is a terrific player and I'd be devestated if he signed for United but Kroos is one level above him in my opinion.

Re Toure: Today Kroos played as a 10 and not as a sitting midfielder. But he still put in a better shift than Yaya did all season defensivly. Yaya got better defending abilities than Kroos, but Kroos works so much harder. And there's no way that Yaya would have been slated on here (or maybe he would as there are some writers with personal agendas against some of our players) if he put in the same performance as Kroos tonight. Kroos set pieces were great, his passing was really good as well and he wasn't afraid to try to create something on his own with take ons and playing one twos.