Tories win Copeland b-election.

[Hart of the Matter]

I view the whole anti-Corbyn stance by the mainstream media in much the same way as I see their anti-City rhetoric. Widespread negativity in the media doesn't change our perception of City - in fact we dig-in and react accordingly (supporters that is, rather than our passive Club officials).

I get the impression that Labour is trying to do the same - ie fuck-off Murdoch et al, you can peddle your lies, misinform your moronic audiences, but you don't tell us who leads our party you bunch of twats.

Sadly this is not likely to be a fight that they will ultimately win.

The polishing, refinement and preparation of Dianne Abbot into a future Party Leader might at least give a little optimism that a brighter future lies ahead.

I hope so because the current free rein position of the Conservatives (as with any Party in their dominant position) is a worrying scenario.

To say this is all a media conspiracy is crap. People can read and see 'untainted' stuff on left leaning and Labour Party websites and watch PMQs to make their own mind up. This dillusion that Labours catastrophic loss is down to the media or the weather is pathetic. The guy and his followers are puritans who believe it is better to be 'right' and unelectable than compromise and take power. Arrogant, pig headed and fascistic mind set. Pragmatism is not a weakness. It means making the most of any situation, good or bad. Corbyn has confirmed he will 'stay on and finish the job!' - I think everyone bar him and his cronies know what that means.

 

[bluemoonmatt]

I view the whole anti-Corbyn stance by the mainstream media in much the same way as I see their anti-City rhetoric. Widespread negativity in the media doesn't change our perception of City - in fact we dig-in and react accordingly (supporters that is, rather than our passive Club officials).

I get the impression that Labour is trying to do the same - ie fuck-off Murdoch et al, you can peddle your lies, misinform your moronic audiences, but you don't tell us who leads our party you bunch of twats.

Sadly this is not likely to be a fight that they will ultimately win.

The polishing, refinement and preparation of Dianne Abbot into a future Party Leader might at least give a little optimism that a brighter future lies ahead.

I hope so because the current free rein position of the Conservatives (as with any Party in their dominant position) is a worrying scenario.

Genuine question, given that it looks like we're stuck with him for the remainder of this term, if as I expect he is roundly beaten at the next GE will he and the momentum hijackers do the honourable thing or will you choose to kill us off once and for all

 

[Chippy_boy]

Labour in it's current ideological thinking of returning to a socialist agenda is the best option for the country...

It's never the best option for the country because it doesn't work.

I understand why people want the social benefits that this sort of agenda talks to. It's *the decent thing* tm to want to look after our sick and needy, to want everyone to have a decent job with good pay, to have excellent schools, to look after our pensioners and our ex servicemen and women, to properly fund our police and indeed all public sector workers etc etc etc.

I get that. We ALL want that. The question therefore is not, which party wants this. It's which party can actually deliver it!

And the answer to this question lies with money, as so many things always do. To have these things on a sustainable basis - not some short term transient botch job - requires money and lots of it. This can *only* be sustainably provided by a strong economy. And that needs a low burden of taxation, flexibility and dynamism - reduced red tape etc. Whacking up taxes has the opposite effect - it's like driving with your foot on the brake pedal. Taking money off people so that they have less to spend, wasting half of it in Whitehall and then spending what's left on badly run initiatives, where another half of the cash goes down the pan, is a completely bonkers strategy.

(Here in Bristol, the total arseholes on the council are wasting £200m on a fucking bus lane no-one wants nor voted for. We haven't got a pot to piss in and they are wasting £200m on this shite.)

The problem is very few Labour governments get this. Or at least if they do, they try to forget about it, lest funding concerns get in the way. So they just spend, spend, spend money the nation does not have and which we cannot afford. They always do this, and the upshot is that in so doing, they wreck the economy. It spirals down in a vicious circle of increasing taxes, slowing growth and then recession, reducing tax revenues and increasing debt and more tax increases... Until they get kicked out.

This is not a long term solution to providing the public services you want. It never has been and never will. This is the inconvenient truth that Labour supporters - and even Labour ministers - cannot bear to hear.

 

[Helmet Cole]

I view the whole anti-Corbyn stance by the mainstream media in much the same way as I see their anti-City rhetoric. Widespread negativity in the media doesn't change our perception of City - in fact we dig-in and react accordingly (supporters that is, rather than our passive Club officials).

I get the impression that Labour is trying to do the same - ie fuck-off Murdoch et al, you can peddle your lies, misinform your moronic audiences, but you don't tell us who leads our party you bunch of twats.

Sadly this is not likely to be a fight that they will ultimately win.

The polishing, refinement and preparation of Dianne Abbot into a future Party Leader might at least give a little optimism that a brighter future lies ahead.

I hope so because the current free rein position of the Conservatives (as with any Party in their dominant position) is a worrying scenario.

I was right with you there until you mentioned Dianne Abbot in the same sentence as the word leader.

 

[Helmet Cole]

That was then...This is now...

I've never voted Tory in my life, but would vote for her. This is purely because I'd like to smash it - sad how shallow I am at times :-(

 

[Tuearts right boot]

Not Labour, but Charlotte Lesley is the hottest MP by a country mile. And brainy as fuck - Balliol College Oxford, no less. Oh, and she drinks pints. Does it get any better than this???

That's all well and good but does she swing to the left or the right

 

[philiph20]

Abbot is about the only person less electable than Corbyn.

Oh I don't know that odious scumbag McDonnell is the worst of that bunch.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Oh I don't know that odious scumbag McDonnell is the worst of that bunch.

Agreed. It's academic though, they are all completely unelectable.

 

[jimharri]

Agreed. It's academic though, they are all completely unelectable.

There's a few at the top of Labour that don't come across as particularly pleasant. Corbyn, Abbot, McDonnell and Watson. Now of course, that should have no bearing on whether Labour will get back into power; it should be all about policies, not personalities. But we are all aware (well; all apart from the members of the Labour party) that if the great unwashed see someone as untrustworthy or (in some way) "not nice", that may well impact on how they vote. People can be very shallow.

 

[sir baconface]

(Here in Bristol, the total arseholes on the council are wasting £200m on a fucking bus lane no-one wants nor voted for. We haven't got a pot to piss in and they are wasting £200m on this shite.)

Typical. They'll claw back a few hundred grand fleecing unsuspecting taxpayers who strayed into the lane, then hail it as a roaring success.

On the positive side, though, are they painting the lines a nice colour? And hiring a few extra enforcement gestapo from some obscure African state?