Tories win Copeland b-election.

[blueparrot]

Don't disagree with anything being said about what the members and Corbyn have done to the Labour party, said it myself. But I do think this was down to local nuclear issues as much as anything else, which is in turn down to labour policy I suppose.

 

[GFBlue]

A strong government and economy? You're not wrong.

That's right we've never had it so good!

 

[Chippy_boy]

An unopposed Tory government is good for no one.

I hear this often but do you have a view why? If someone believes that Tory policies are in the main intrinsically the best way to generate wealth and through that wealth creation, deliver the best public services for everyone, then surely an unopposed Tory government would be ideal?

Does your line therefore not presume that Tory policies are not intrinsically correct, which may or may not be true?

I throw this down simply to open up the debate.

 

[GFBlue]

Good, I'd rather have what we get.
Bashing'The Rich' is a bit old hat by the way, Labour luvvies Bob Geldof and Lily Allen may object.

As long as you're happy then.....

 

[Ancient Citizen]

So is it Corbyn's fault for having principles and essentially wanting a fairer society and distribution of wealth or the electorate's for believing that the Tories give a toss about them (unless they have millions in the bank)? After all if 659M* people believe that the scum are god's own football club then by democratic rules this must be true?

Whilst I may be a "far left fruit loop" or mortgage paying family man now having to support his grandchildren because of Tory policies as I prefer to term it, give me a principled politician every day rather than a (B)liar who will say anything to gain and retain power. If this means opposition because the majority are too selfish to see through the lies then so be it. Doing the right thing is rarely easy but it remains the right thing nevertheless.,

* Statistics provided by the Ministry of Spin, Trafford.

You may think you're doing the right thing, after all it's your right to think what you wish.
The electorate think you're doing the wrong thing, so do Labour MP's, because your thinking appears to be
mired in the leftist 'They're all against the poor working man' mantra.
That kind of politics is now dead, as are Labours chances with Corbyn, or his IRA loving sidekick McDonnell.
Good to have principles though, Corbyn certainly has them, but then again, so did Castro.

 

[Chippy_boy]

So is it Corbyn's fault for having principles and essentially wanting a fairer society and distribution of wealth or the electorate's for believing that the Tories give a toss about them (unless they have millions in the bank)? After all if 659M* people believe that the scum are god's own football club then by democratic rules this must be true?

Whilst I may be a "far left fruit loop" or mortgage paying family man now having to support his grandchildren because of Tory policies as I prefer to term it, give me a principled politician every day rather than a (B)liar who will say anything to gain and retain power. If this means opposition because the majority are too selfish to see through the lies then so be it. Doing the right thing is rarely easy but it remains the right thing nevertheless.

* Statistics provided by the Ministry of Spin, Trafford.

You're so deluded it's painful to watch. The problem I think you have - and it's not an unusual one amongst the left - is that you see some of the decisions made by Tories which are painful for the working classes and perhaps understandably you jump to the conclusion that these decisions are made because the Tories don't give a toss about them. But this conclusion is wrong and the Tories most certainly do care and most politicians of all parties are very caring people.

Of course no-one is whiter than driven snow, and sometimes mistakes are made. But mistakes do not equal some hidden agenda to fuck you over.

 

[The Pink Panther]

I wonder what excuses the Corbynites will make up for this one. Similarly how do they explain their much reduced majority when up against the proven bullshitter Paul Nuttall in Stoke.

Is that the Paul Nuttall who scored a hat trick in the 1966 World Cup Final and won a VC in Iraq!
What a guy and what a life he's led

 

[GFBlue]

You may think you're doing the right thing, after all it's your right to think what you wish.
The electorate think you're doing the wrong thing, so do Labour MP's, because your thinking appears to be
mired in the leftist 'They're all against the poor working man' mantra.
That kind of politics is now dead, as are Labours chances with Corbyn, or his IRA loving sidekick McDonnell.
Good to have principles though, Corbyn certainly has them, but then again, so did Castro.

As I said originally if the electorate are persuaded then so be it. It doesn't however mean that they are correct just that they hold the majority view at the current time. What it does mean is that we all will have to live with the consequences!

 

[GFBlue]

You're so deluded it's painful to watch. The problem I think you have - and it's not an unusual one amongst the left - is that you see some of the decisions made by Tories which are painful for the working classes and perhaps understandably you jump to the conclusion that these decisions are made because the Tories don't give a toss about them. But this conclusion is wrong and the Tories most certainly do care and most politicians of all parties are very caring people.

Of course no-one is whiter than driven snow, and sometimes mistakes are made. But mistakes do not equal some hidden agenda to fuck you over.

Thank you for highlighting my delusion. I am now entirely convinced to the contrary by the strength of your arguments. It's good to know that the Tories have my best interests at heart. I don't understand how I could have been so foolish in the first place.

 

[cibaman]

I hear this often but do you have a view why? If someone believes that Tory policies are in the main intrinsically the best way to generate wealth and through that wealth creation, deliver the best public services for everyone, then surely an unopposed Tory government would be ideal?

Does your line therefore not presume that Tory policies are not intrinsically correct, which may or may not be true?

I throw this down simply to open up the debate.

An unopposed Tory government would shift further and further to the right. They need a strong opposition to keep them nearer the centre ground.