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Damanino

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I see this coming up lately due to our poor results what unsure on what people mean on this.

For me Chelsea this season is a prefect example of a transition season, where due to transfer ban and no transfers and Lampard coming in they try to set a new system, Lampard still finding out about the job as he quite a new manager, bringing in some younger players Abraham, Mount making them important part of first team squad, obviously due to this their expectations cannot be that high for this season and probably wouldnt fire Lampard if he only finishes 6th.
I say well done if he is in top4 given Hazard is a huge loss and they got that Pulisic guy but he is a nobody yet, needs 1-2 years to make a real name for himself.

I dont know what is our transition with trying to push Fernandinho and David Silva at age 34 and 35 not even handing Foden a fair amount of games to break trough.

Two new signins who are not youth players, Rodri and Cancelo are both seasoned pros from Serie A and La Liga. So far it looks we just wanted another back up to Walker, but what an expensive back up really. I thought he will come in and makes Walker sit on the bench, and add a more attacking approach so far I cant decide if Pep trusts him to do that as defensively it would make us even more fragile and that is saying something. Same with Mendy btw.
Rodri will have to slowly pick up the speed, and become an important part of midfield.

but then what about the defence and attack? What transition we doing there exactly? Still playing high up the pitch yet Pep wouldnt trust Stones and Otamendi together maybe vs Zagreb he will but otherwise no.

In attack teams found us out. But I think we just become slower and attack with less energy. Defenders have more time to get to a block, block a shot, block a cross, we lose so many passes in attacking third, David Silva, Sterling just passes it to the defender, and then they counter us and we have a problem.

I dont see us playing other system, trying other way of things, apart from our number of crosses seems like going up, we started to play the numbers game more recently to break up defensive walls, but surely Sterling, Silva, Jesus and/or Bernardo are the ones waiting for the crosses.
Get Crouch out of retirement, stick him up there, and he will score more headers still from our crosses then above 4 together all season.

It could be due to our loss of pressing, intensity and becoming more desperate to put crosses in and anything might happen. Well nothing happens usually. If we had a target man like Dzeko maybe or a striker with immense instinct like Kun in his prime but even he is getting older.
 
Damanino said:
I see this coming up lately due to our poor results what unsure on what people mean on this.

For me Chelsea this season is a prefect example of a transition season, where due to transfer ban and no transfers and Lampard coming in they try to set a new system, Lampard still finding out about the job as he quite a new manager, bringing in some younger players Abraham, Mount making them important part of first team squad, obviously due to this their expectations cannot be that high for this season and probably wouldnt fire Lampard if he only finishes 6th.
I say well done if he is in top4 given Hazard is a huge loss and they got that Pulisic guy but he is a nobody yet, needs 1-2 years to make a real name for himself.

I dont know what is our transition with trying to push Fernandinho and David Silva at age 34 and 35 not even handing Foden a fair amount of games to break trough.

Two new signins who are not youth players, Rodri and Cancelo are both seasoned pros from Serie A and La Liga. So far it looks we just wanted another back up to Walker, but what an expensive back up really. I thought he will come in and makes Walker sit on the bench, and add a more attacking approach so far I cant decide if Pep trusts him to do that as defensively it would make us even more fragile and that is saying something. Same with Mendy btw.
Rodri will have to slowly pick up the speed, and become an important part of midfield.

but then what about the defence and attack? What transition we doing there exactly? Still playing high up the pitch yet Pep wouldnt trust Stones and Otamendi together maybe vs Zagreb he will but otherwise no.

In attack teams found us out. But I think we just become slower and attack with less energy. Defenders have more time to get to a block, block a shot, block a cross, we lose so many passes in attacking third, David Silva, Sterling just passes it to the defender, and then they counter us and we have a problem.

I dont see us playing other system, trying other way of things, apart from our number of crosses seems like going up, we started to play the numbers game more recently to break up defensive walls, but surely Sterling, Silva, Jesus and/or Bernardo are the ones waiting for the crosses.
Get Crouch out of retirement, stick him up there, and he will score more headers still from our crosses then above 4 together all season.

It could be due to our loss of pressing, intensity and becoming more desperate to put crosses in and anything might happen. Well nothing happens usually. If we had a target man like Dzeko maybe or a striker with immense instinct like Kun in his prime but even he is getting older.
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I feel your pain. I'll probably give it until Xmas and then go back to supporting Liverpool
 
Damanino said:
I see this coming up lately due to our poor results what unsure on what people mean on this.

For me Chelsea this season is a prefect example of a transition season, where due to transfer ban and no transfers and Lampard coming in they try to set a new system, Lampard still finding out about the job as he quite a new manager, bringing in some younger players Abraham, Mount making them important part of first team squad, obviously due to this their expectations cannot be that high for this season and probably wouldnt fire Lampard if he only finishes 6th.
I say well done if he is in top4 given Hazard is a huge loss and they got that Pulisic guy but he is a nobody yet, needs 1-2 years to make a real name for himself.

I dont know what is our transition with trying to push Fernandinho and David Silva at age 34 and 35 not even handing Foden a fair amount of games to break trough.

Two new signins who are not youth players, Rodri and Cancelo are both seasoned pros from Serie A and La Liga. So far it looks we just wanted another back up to Walker, but what an expensive back up really. I thought he will come in and makes Walker sit on the bench, and add a more attacking approach so far I cant decide if Pep trusts him to do that as defensively it would make us even more fragile and that is saying something. Same with Mendy btw.
Rodri will have to slowly pick up the speed, and become an important part of midfield.

but then what about the defence and attack? What transition we doing there exactly? Still playing high up the pitch yet Pep wouldnt trust Stones and Otamendi together maybe vs Zagreb he will but otherwise no.

In attack teams found us out. But I think we just become slower and attack with less energy. Defenders have more time to get to a block, block a shot, block a cross, we lose so many passes in attacking third, David Silva, Sterling just passes it to the defender, and then they counter us and we have a problem.

I dont see us playing other system, trying other way of things, apart from our number of crosses seems like going up, we started to play the numbers game more recently to break up defensive walls, but surely Sterling, Silva, Jesus and/or Bernardo are the ones waiting for the crosses.
Get Crouch out of retirement, stick him up there, and he will score more headers still from our crosses then above 4 together all season.

It could be due to our loss of pressing, intensity and becoming more desperate to put crosses in and anything might happen. Well nothing happens usually. If we had a target man like Dzeko maybe or a striker with immense instinct like Kun in his prime but even he is getting older.
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It’s not transition. It’s decline. I thought we had finally switched on against Burnley but no a false dawn. Most of the squad are currently underperforming. The speed and aggression has disappeared from our game. Pep has been miraculous the last couple of seasons. He needs to start showing his genius this season because I really can’t see it in these displays.
 
This season should have been used as a transition season once the injuries scuppered us, but it looks like simply being a season of decline with next year being the transition season. So instead of one frustrating season, we are opting for at least two.
 
I am so confused why some fans can not see this seasons issues and potentially what’s ahead.

It’s ok to criticise pep & the players. It doesn’t make you less a blue.

we think we have issues this season wait for next if we don’t get some quality players in.

d silva goes next year
Aguero & fern will be a year older & look much slower this year.
Jesus, gundy, stones, otamendi, not good enough.
Still not sure on Mendy, Walker, Angelino, Mahrez.
Sane will probably go.

As you can see the issue is more than injuries.

I don’t see how any can disagree with the above but I’m sure some will and your entitled too it’s all about opinions :-)
 
Ardwick Green Blue said:
The Kompany, Yaya, Silva, Fernandinho, Aguero replacements are not at the same level unfortunately.
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They aren’t. It’s a shame but they just aren’t.

We look like heading to what Arsenal became after Bergkamp Vieira Campbell Cole Henry Pires all left within a few years of each other.

Replacements not at the same level, easy to attack, a soft touch.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
It’s a decline, not a transition. The players that made this team tick have almost all come to their end.

The transition is yet to come.
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Bar aguero, silva and the now departed Kompany exactly who is not at peak age? ( in fact it was said this squad was buit for a decade in the centenary season)

We have a squad well capable of wining every comp, for me blues are being scapegoaty with this declining/transition shite

We haven't re0laced kompany and that was foolish, bit bar that his is a young squad that pep built
 
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Ardwick Green Blue said:
The Kompany, Yaya, Silva, Fernandinho, Aguero replacements are not at the same level unfortunately.
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Yaya's replacement? Who gives a fuck about Yaya's replacement? We got 198 points in 2 seasons and 7 trophies with no Yaya anywhere in sight.

Silva's replacement is stuck on the bench watching.

Aguero's replacement has matched his goalscoring despite never getting a run of games, 28 goals in 40 starts. Not to mention Aguero is still fucking here! He played vs. Liverpool, Norwich, Spurs & Wolves.

Kompany is the only one we actually needed to replace, and how much we would have needed that if Laporte was fit is up for debate.

This whole "irreplaceable" narrative around retired players is so lazy and played out.
 
Are we not allowed a transion season then,every fucker else has one,it's not a decline either,the last 2 seasons were freaks in many ways,it's no disgrace to drop down from that lofty height
 
You’re spot on. Whenever a team has little chance of winning the league or achieving their targets it’s now just designated a transition season automatically. Chelsea are in transition and you can see that transition, United have been failing to transition for the past 5 years, We’re not in transition. we came into the season pretty much at our peak for this iteration of our side.

It’s a piss poor summer window combined with putting square pegs in round holes in an attempt to fix the piss poor window that’s costing us, along with some questionable pep tactics and a lack of variety in our play.

Funnily enough next season could actually be a transition season for us with silva the lynchpin of our side for the last decade going and Fernandinho and Aguero likely being phased out too along with the need to freshen up elsewhere and correct mistakes made.
 
karen7 said:
Are we not allowed a transion season then,every fucker else has one,it's not a decline either,the last 2 seasons were freaks in many ways,it's no disgrace to drop down from that lofty height
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It’s no disgrace. Just a natural decline.
 
ninjamonkey said:
You’re spot on. Whenever a team has little chance of winning the league or achieving their targets it’s now just designated a transition season automatically. Chelsea are in transition and you can see that transition, United have been failing to transition for the past 5 years, We’re not in transition. we came into the season pretty much at our peak for this iteration of our side.

It’s a piss poor summer window combined with putting square pegs in round holes in an attempt to fix the piss poor window that’s costing us, along with some questionable pep tactics and a lack of variety in our play.

Funnily enough next season could actually be a transition season for us with silva the lynchpin of our side for the last decade going and Fernandinho and Aguero likely being phased out too along with the need to freshen up elsewhere and correct mistakes made.
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Plus Sane and Otamendi will leave. Mendy we’d like to sell, but nobody will take him. Definitely a transition season next year with lower expectations. But the media will pile on the pressure and not allow us the freedom to transition.
 
We have had an incredible couple of seasons under Pep , the bar has been set so high to expect a repeat every season just isnt possible , players will have dips in form , we have had more than our share of injuries to big players and some dubious decisions from officials and VAR . All these facts have contributed to our current malaise , maybe a bit of realism and an average season collecting only a couple of trophies should be acceptable , and we can re-group and give the title another go next season. Shit happens.
 
i dont think its an excuseto say we are in transition at all.....we have a nunmber of very key players -premier legends in David Silva Sergio and Kompany last year along with Ferna all coming to the end of their careers. we have some young and up coming players who arent quite ready to be tested long term (Foden, the two lads at centre half)

Its quite a concern in that we may have to accept a couple of seasons of this as unless the club is willing to break all previous records - I dont think we can replace Kompany, Silva and Aguero plus a left back plus a replacement for ferna all in one window....that would cost ridiculous amounts of money (and i certainly dont belive GJ is upto replaing Aguero and as much as Foden is rated he is significantly lower level that a prime David Silva (understandibly)
 
We shouldn't be looking for excuses. There are three simple reasons why the season is panning out as it is - key injuries that have upset the balance of the team, cheating refs and misbegotten VAR applications, and not enough players performing to the level of which they are clearly capable.
 
I'd say we peaked last year and we can't recapture the spark from last year.

But we've been at it for two years solid, playing high intensity football, maybe we need to start again.

But I agree with a poster on another thread in that it looks like the last season's of mancini and pellers, we're as flat as a witches tit.
The one comfort is that we can put the league to bed and put all our eggs in the one basket for the champions league and the fa cup.
Still lots to go at for the season.
 
How can it be a transition? Nothing changed. We pretty clearly made a mistake in the summer by not refreshing the squad though, and we continue to make a mistake playing David Silva multiple times a week like he's 28 also.
 
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