Trayvon Martin

Bigga said:
dazdon said:
intheknow! said:
This verdict really makes no sense. How could Zimmerman claim self defence or 'stand your ground' when HE was the attacker and instigator of the fracas? If anyone was 'standing his ground' or acting in self defence it was the now deceased Trayvon Martin. I can see how Zimmerman is not guilty of 2nd degree murder but to be found not guilty of manslaughter is unbelievable. Also the jury was made up of 6 women, five white and one latino. Why no men and more racially diverse people?








Yes he is white. He is a White Hispanic.

People are getting race and ethnicity confused.

Hispanic or Latino is NOT a race it's an ethnicity. There are Black Hispanics and White Hispanics.
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Hispanics are as persecuted in the US as black people are....hispanics are on the cusp of being recognised as a race.

<a class="postlink" href="http://nbclatino.com/2013/01/04/census-might-make-hispanic-a-race/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://nbclatino.com/2013/01/04/census- ... ic-a-race/</a>

Zimmerman isn't white by that definition he is Hispanic.
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Question; why are YOU using race as an argument??

Just taking the race issue aside, are you advocating that it is alright to kill a person that is unarmed, with a firearm, cos you are losing a fight you really started??

Pathetic and side stepping is your whole 'reasoning'.
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Some time ago I realised that debating with you is useless.

You'll go all wobbly and start testifying.

Sorry m8 but where you're concerned i'm out.
 
floridablues said:
intheknow! said:
"This verdict really makes no sense. How could Zimmerman claim self defence or 'stand your ground' when HE was the attacker and instigator of the fracas? If anyone was 'standing his ground' or acting in self defence it was the now deceased Trayvon Martin. I can see how Zimmerman is not guilty of 2nd degree murder but to be found not guilty of manslaughter is unbelievable. Also the jury was made up of 6 women, five white and one latino. Why no men and more racially diverse people?"



This is another instance of not being fully informed about the case. Zimmerman was not the one who attacked trayvon in the first place. Sure the 911 operator advised him not to follow but Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch and it was in no way illegal to follow him. The evidence says with witnesses backing it up that trayvon was on top of Zimmerman beating him up "ground and pound style" and similar to MMA. If you don't think Zimmerman should have followed him there was also no need for trayvon to act out that violently
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Ha! Ha! Ha! Haaa!!

Really interesting that this 'stand your ground' law comes from only the winner's perspective! There was 'no need for Trayvon to act that violently'? So if you are being followed and you want to know why, by confronting your stalker, aren't you 'standing your ground', too...??

dazdon said:
Bigga said:
Question; why are YOU using race as an argument??

Just taking the race issue aside, are you advocating that it is alright to kill a person that is unarmed, with a firearm, cos you are losing a fight you really started??

Pathetic and side stepping is your whole 'reasoning'.
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Some time ago I realised that debating with you is useless.

You'll go all wobbly and start testifying.

Sorry m8 but where you're concerned i'm out.
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Sign a person that can't argue a 'truth' Amusing that my post is seen as 'testifying' when the race is removed. You have always been a VERY weak debater.

Confirmed in front of all and sundry.

Thank you.
 
dazdon said:
intheknow! said:
This verdict really makes no sense. How could Zimmerman claim self defence or 'stand your ground' when HE was the attacker and instigator of the fracas? If anyone was 'standing his ground' or acting in self defence it was the now deceased Trayvon Martin. I can see how Zimmerman is not guilty of 2nd degree murder but to be found not guilty of manslaughter is unbelievable. Also the jury was made up of 6 women, five white and one latino. Why no men and more racially diverse people?




dazdon said:
The jury found him not guilty.

The accused wasn't white yet there is still a race furore.

If only there was as much of a reaction to OJ being found not guilty.

Race has yet again become a political football.
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Yes he is white. He is a White Hispanic.

People are getting race and ethnicity confused.

Hispanic or Latino is NOT a race it's an ethnicity. There are Black Hispanics and White Hispanics.
Click to expand...

Hispanics are as persecuted in the US as black people are....hispanics are on the cusp of being recognised as a race.

<a class="postlink" href="http://nbclatino.com/2013/01/04/census-might-make-hispanic-a-race/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://nbclatino.com/2013/01/04/census- ... ic-a-race/</a>

Zimmerman isn't white by that definition he is Hispanic.
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Blacks and Hispanics are PERSECUTED in the U.S.? Dear God get a clue.
 
Am I being offensive? No.

I called your argument 'pathetic and sidestepping' cos you failed to argue the point of two people having an physical altercation and one having a firearm.

You chose to say I 'testify' for some fooked up reason cos knew you couldn't argue the point. I chose to tag a vid about you being smacked down cos of it and a homage to the case, you as Zimmerman, with my 'Annie' reference.

Boo-fookin'-hoo.
 
intheknow! said:
This verdict really makes no sense. How could Zimmerman claim self defence or 'stand your ground' when HE was the attacker and instigator of the fracas? If anyone was 'standing his ground' or acting in self defence it was the now deceased Trayvon Martin. I can see how Zimmerman is not guilty of 2nd degree murder but to be found not guilty of manslaughter is unbelievable. Also the jury was made up of 6 women, five white and one latino. Why no men and more racially diverse people?




dazdon said:
The jury found him not guilty.

The accused wasn't white yet there is still a race furore.

If only there was as much of a reaction to OJ being found not guilty.

Race has yet again become a political football.
Click to expand...



Yes he is white. He is a White Hispanic.

People are getting race and ethnicity confused.

Hispanic or Latino is NOT a race it's an ethnicity. There are Black Hispanics and White Hispanics.
Click to expand...

White hispanic ??? the guy wasnt white
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
intheknow! said:
This verdict really makes no sense. How could Zimmerman claim self defence or 'stand your ground' when HE was the attacker and instigator of the fracas? If anyone was 'standing his ground' or acting in self defence it was the now deceased Trayvon Martin. I can see how Zimmerman is not guilty of 2nd degree murder but to be found not guilty of manslaughter is unbelievable. Also the jury was made up of 6 women, five white and one latino. Why no men and more racially diverse people?




dazdon said:
The jury found him not guilty.

The accused wasn't white yet there is still a race furore.

If only there was as much of a reaction to OJ being found not guilty.

Race has yet again become a political football.
Click to expand...



Yes he is white. He is a White Hispanic.

People are getting race and ethnicity confused.

Hispanic or Latino is NOT a race it's an ethnicity. There are Black Hispanics and White Hispanics.
Click to expand...

White hispanic ??? the guy wasnt white
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Barack Obama is a 'white African American' True Story
 
What happened to the good old days when two blokes could just settle their differences with a good punch up, it seems in america you have to be very careful as someone can give you all the shit in the world and if you slap em they can shoot you.

If no one is around you can even attack them first and as soon as they leave a mark on you then you can shoot them.

The real problem here as per usual is america's gun laws
 
hilts said:
What happened to the good old days when two blokes could just settle their differences with a good punch up, it seems in america you have to be very careful as someone can give you all the shit in the world and if you slap em they can shoot you.

If no one is around you can even attack them first and as soon as they leave a mark on you then you can shoot them.

The real problem here as per usual is america's gun laws
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He was charged under Florida state law. About 5% of the population lives there. If he had done that in many other states, he would have been easier to convict.
 
Bigga said:
dazdon said:
intheknow! said:
This verdict really makes no sense. How could Zimmerman claim self defence or 'stand your ground' when HE was the attacker and instigator of the fracas? If anyone was 'standing his ground' or acting in self defence it was the now deceased Trayvon Martin. I can see how Zimmerman is not guilty of 2nd degree murder but to be found not guilty of manslaughter is unbelievable. Also the jury was made up of 6 women, five white and one latino. Why no men and more racially diverse people?








Yes he is white. He is a White Hispanic.

People are getting race and ethnicity confused.

Hispanic or Latino is NOT a race it's an ethnicity. There are Black Hispanics and White Hispanics.
Click to expand...

Hispanics are as persecuted in the US as black people are....hispanics are on the cusp of being recognised as a race.

<a class="postlink" href="http://nbclatino.com/2013/01/04/census-might-make-hispanic-a-race/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://nbclatino.com/2013/01/04/census- ... ic-a-race/</a>

Zimmerman isn't white by that definition he is Hispanic.
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Question; why are YOU using race as an argument??

Just taking the race issue aside, are you advocating that it is alright to kill a person that is unarmed, with a firearm, cos you are losing a fight you really started??

Pathetic and side stepping is your whole 'reasoning'.
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1. There is nothing inherently wrong about killing an unarmed person with a firearm. This is obvious. To illustrate, just imagine that you're in the process of being pushed off a cliff by an unarmed person.
So saying things along the lines of 'A was armed and B was unarmed!' is, on its face, not an argument for anything

2. If I just walked up to you and twatted you in the face and you reacted by escalating the confrontation to the point I had a reasonable fear of impending death or serious bodily harm, let's say you whipped out a chainsaw and swung it towards my neck, I don't think any sane person would say that I'd not be justified in shooting you.

3. In this particular case, there is no evidence to suggest Zimmerman started the fight - not that it even matters all that much since what really matters is what was occurring just before the shot.


On a side note, still seeing people talk about Stand Your Ground. This case was not SYG. This case surrounded classical self defense, given that Trayvon was straddled on top of Zimmerman - giving him no possible way of retreating.
 
I'm glad Zimmerman has been acquitted. Remember, he's been acquitted not necessarily because the jurors thought he was innocent, but because there can't be any reasonable doubt of his guilt.

The state cocked this up and let it become a circus. This man should not have been in the dock in the first place. I was 50/50 until the Defense summed up, the picture of Zimmerman taking immediately after the incident was more than enough to avoid charges, not just under stand your ground, but also self defense.
 
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