Trouble in the East Stand??

[shadygiz]

people do realise that incidents like today will result in the manchester council reducing the allowed allocation of the ground on match days dont you

its going to come to that unless people realise that standing in 106 107 108 isnt allowed. if you want to stand move to the singing sections.

so legally where can you stand in an english football ground? is the singing section legal? is it legal if your an away fan? is it legal if theres an attack in the penalty area? the law is an ass, city's policing of it has been short sighted and unworkable

its legal to stand anywhere in the ground...the law states that the club has to provide you with a seat, it doesnt say you have to sit on it

 

[pride in battle]

The hate for Peter Fletcher on this forum is a joke.

I hope he reads this and serves us all a dose by forcing the entire ground to sit. Rather than allowing two specific sections to break FA rules.

Then perhaps you'll all realise the fuckwittery in these kind of threads.

(that's not addressing individual behaviour of stewards, if what is alleged to have happened its unacceptable and I expect he'll pay with his job)

Fletcher is a horrible excuse for a human being, yes I have crossed him, so do not come on here defending this piece of ....

 

[bringer678]

Old man, asked him to sit down, he refused. Showsec said they would get the police. They did. By that time he'd sat down but they still tried to take him out. He resisted peacefully. We scored and they made a move and came in heavyhanded (so blatant they were using it as a distraction) and they tried to manhandle him to take him out including many coppers who waded into the crowd knocking people over including a little kid. Didn't see how the old bloke ended up on the floor on the steps but he did and he looked like he was out cold. Medics came and revived him. He was taken to First Aid and then led out at half time. No idea what happened up the steps but I heard some steward punched someone and lost their job. That's speculation though. Everything else I've said is absolute fact. I saw it with my own eyes and have most of it on video.

Put the bid up please mate.

Send it to the club and/or police

 

[PistonBlue]

Re: Peter Fletcher: Showsec Assaulting City Fans

watched what happened from block 111.

Went for a drink at half-time. While I was stood in the queue I saw a City fan talking to a police officer on the concorse, who was taking notes/details. As the City fan walked through the queue we asked him what he said to the police officer. Told us that he had taken video footage via his camera phone of a Showsec steward assaulting a City fan.

Just spoke to my Girlfriend after she arrived home from the match. She sits above 111 and saw a Showsec steward assaulting a City fan.

Back to Mr Fletcher.

At the end of the day the buck stops with you. You are head of security at the stadium, which means you are in charge of Showsec and are responsible for their behaviour.

You have been warned time after time by the City fans on Blue Moon about the heavy handed behaviour of Showsec(£5 an hour bullies in yellow jackets), but you've done nothing about it.

Once again the Showsec mob tried to force City fans to sit down. Once again all they did was wind up City fans. This time they went too far and caused the disgraceful scenes in block 109. Then the Police were called in to try and restore order.

And what happened at the end of it all. The City fans were still stood up in block 109. So what did another Showsec show of force achieve? Nothing apart from assaulting City fans and causing more problems.

Mr Fletcher, please do us all a favour. Hand in your notice.

Fletcher will just say they are doing their job as it's against the law for you stand at a football match. They will argue that those who stand have caused the ruck because if they obeyed the law none of it would have happened.

I'm not siding with them I'm just telling you how they'll see it.

-- Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:05 pm --

whether it is stated or not 109 is now a standing block, thats the reality, if the club want to randomly pick on a fan is up to them but it will make no difference at all

No it isn't. It's a block full of law breakers, technically.

try reading the post, everyone in 109 stands in REALITY it is a standing block you can call it what you want but if a block is standing it is a standing block whether right or wrong, is this clear for you

no need to be smart pal. The REALITY is that you are not allowed to stand at a football match, but when the nasty stewards try to make you sit you come on here crying about them. I'm all for creating an atmosphere but if a 'singing section' is attracting belligerent little shites like you who think they can do whatever they want then the club will have no choice but to end it

-- Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:12 pm --

The hate for Peter Fletcher on this forum is a joke.

I hope he reads this and serves us all a dose by forcing the entire ground to sit. Rather than allowing two specific sections to break FA rules.

Then perhaps you'll all realise the fuckwittery in these kind of threads.

(that's not addressing individual behaviour of stewards, if what is alleged to have happened its unacceptable and I expect he'll pay with his job)

and how is going to do that?

By systematically weeding out the standers and banning them, or something like that I'd imagine.

 

[goatfood]

Re: Peter Fletcher: Showsec Assaulting City Fans

try reading the post, everyone in 109 stands in REALITY it is a standing block you can call it what you want but if a block is standing it is a standing block whether right or wrong, is this clear for you

-- Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:12 pm --



and how is going to do that?

By closing 109.
Can see it coming, by law City can not allow peopke to stand, if the council threaten us with closing sections of the ground, as the Scum got threatened with a few years back, City will have no option.

I am not saying I agree, but standing is not allowed in top flight football, like it or not. The club have turned a blind eye to a few blocks, but can not allow it to spread. The actions of the stewards can not be defended tho.

its not law

The Government's policy that Premiership and First Division grounds should be all seated in the public interest is enforced by means of conditions in the licence issued by the Football Licensing Authority under the Football Spectators Act 1989

Rules 9 and 18 of the model regulations provide that:
•9. Nobody may stand in any seated area whilst play is in progress. Persistent standing in seated areas while play is in progress is strictly forbidden and may result in ejection from the ground.
•18. The club reserves absolutely the right to eject from the ground any person failing to comply with any of the ground regulations or whose presence within the ground is, or could reasonably be construed as, constituting a source of danger, nuisance or annoyance to any other person. This could lead to further action by the club including, but not limited to, the withdrawal of any season ticket (without reimbursement)and other benefits.
•18.1 Entry to the ground shall constitute acceptance of the ground regulations.

 

[shadygiz]

Re: Peter Fletcher: Showsec Assaulting City Fans

By closing 109.
Can see it coming, by law City can not allow peopke to stand, if the council threaten us with closing sections of the ground, as the Scum got threatened with a few years back, City will have no option.

I am not saying I agree, but standing is not allowed in top flight football, like it or not. The club have turned a blind eye to a few blocks, but can not allow it to spread. The actions of the stewards can not be defended tho.

its not law

Premier and Football Leagues. Rules 9 and 18 of the model regulations provide that:
•9. Nobody may stand in any seated area whilst play is in progress. Persistent standing in seated areas while play is in progress is strictly forbidden and may result in ejection from the ground.
•18. The club reserves absolutely the right to eject from the ground any person failing to comply with any of the ground regulations or whose presence within the ground is, or could reasonably be construed as, constituting a source of danger, nuisance or annoyance to any other person. This could lead to further action by the club including, but not limited to, the withdrawal of any season ticket (without reimbursement)and other benefits.
•18.1 Entry to the ground shall constitute acceptance of the ground regulations.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.fsf.org.uk/media/uploaded/Legalities-of-standing.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.fsf.org.uk/media/uploaded/Le ... anding.pdf</a>

THE LAW ON STANDING IN ALL-SEATED GROUNDS
- Ever since the introduction of all-seater stadia, many supporters have continued to stand in
front of their seats, often for the duration of the game.
- It is widely believed that this practice is illegal. This is not the case, even within Premier
League and Championship grounds. The law only provides that these clubs should provide
seats for all supporters, not that supporters must sit on them.
- The point is confirmed by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport: ‘At no point has it
been argued that the individual spectator commits a criminal offence by standing in a seated
area’ (Source: Letter to Football Supporters Federation, 2008)

i think you will find what you quoted are FA guidelines, not legalities

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Later on in the second half there was a guy arrested just on the concourse by the 110 entrance. The thing is he wasn't escorted out of the block but just seemed to make his own way there.

He was cuffed but it was all very low key and the police were laughing and joking with him. Makes me think it could have been one of the stewards.

 

[Skashion]

Put the bid up please mate.

Send it to the club and/or police

It's being uploaded as we speak.

 

[Scareye]

I sit in 209 so has a pretty good view and for stewards to be throwing punches no matter what the provication is fucking wrong. One in particular (Think he had shaved head at the sides) threw at least three punches when I was watching. Hope the twat loses his job!!!

 

[Blue Haze]

Something needs to be done before someone dies. I keep hearing about this stewards stuff in Britain, totally baffling because there's nothing like it over here in the US.