Tuition fees

tommyducks said:
aphex said:
yeah thick people

the people who built your house that keep you safe

oh dear.
Listen mate my brother is a kitchen fitter and has no O-levels. He works hard and is the salt of the earth. But if you can't see that preventing kids from non-rich families getting a further education is evil, then I don't know what planet you are living on.

what are you talking about? when did i say this?

if you read my post earlier, i think that in the long term, the government are going to be relying on imports and sourcing from other country's, simply because like anything else that costs money, students and there family's are going to be priced out of the market.
 
crizack said:
Damocles said:
This is severe nonsense.

Students will be easily in over £30k of debt. Student loan of £4k per year, fees of £8k. This is for 1 year, most degrees are 3-5 years. I hope you aren't on a Maths course.

Besides, the idea that University should separate the best and the brightest is grotesque. University should be for anybody who wants to go. Education is the solution to nearly every single problem in the world. We have survived as a species because of our willingness to share information throughout the generations; to disregard this now would be tragic.

There are things that you use in your everyday life that you have to thanks scholars from 5000 years ago for. If they had the same idea that knowledge and title is only for a few, then we'd still be building mud huts and praying to the Sun

EDIT: You need to severely increase your logic skills if you are going into Law. You should start reading up on logical fallacies and think about how they fit into people's arguments. This is actually a good place to look as we have a range of people, with a range of different debating skills, with a range of different opinions.


what the balls!? a student pays 9% of what they earn OVER £15,000, so if a graduate gets of a job paying £20,000, they have to pay 9% of £5,000 that's £450...PER YEAR! typical student loan is £3200 per year. 86% of uni courses are 3 years full time, 5 years would be part time on the same loan amount anyway. 3200 x 3 = 9600, tuition fees of £3220 per year at the university of manchester, x 3 = 9660. a grand total for me - £19260. NOT £30,000! if i then get a job totalling £30,000 a year, i'd pay back £112 a month. if my monthly salary falls below £1200 a month...i pay nothing. After all this, i then have the pride in obtaining a degree, which is worth more than any amount of money (the original point of my earlier post) how and why should i be worried about student debt and what was your point in replying to my post? and you agree with uk students with hard working parents having to pay for tuition and miss places in uni in favour for foreign students who pay nothing into society after receiving exceptional education? If we were living by your way of thinking, everybody would be sucking of the same tit....and that isn't healthy is it.

I was talking of the fees post hike, not now.

I see your logic is completely off again in the last portion of your post too. That whole thing is one large strawman.
 
I have a simple solution for all of you , come over to India and receive about the same or slightly less quality of education(i am talking non top tier uni's here) for about 1/4th of what you would pay in the UK.And if you manage to get into the top tier ones (you will need good ranks in the entrance exams) , it will still cost only about 1/3rd of what you would pay in the UK.

<a class="postlink" href="http://india.gov.in/overseas/study_india/faq.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://india.gov.in/overseas/study_india/faq.php</a>
 
Most programmers with degrees from India are seen as incompetent. Sorry, but experience has taught us that programming degrees from India tend to be a bit like confetti.
 
Damocles said:
Most programmers with degrees from India are seen as incompetent. Sorry, but experience has taught us that programming degrees from India tend to be a bit like confetti.

That is due to the infinite number of worthless private engineering colleges sprouting up like weed everywhere in India.But if you consider the medium to top tier of universities ( the National Institute of Technology's , BITS , DCE , Indian Institute of Technology's , International Institute of Information Technology etc) you can be assured that the graduates will be of a reasonably high quality.
 
Ragnarok said:
I have a simple solution for all of you , come over to India and receive about the same or slightly less quality of education(i am talking non top tier uni's here) for about 1/4th of what you would pay in the UK.And if you manage to get into the top tier ones (you will need good ranks in the entrance exams) , it will still cost only about 1/3rd of what you would pay in the UK.

<a class="postlink" href="http://india.gov.in/overseas/study_india/faq.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://india.gov.in/overseas/study_india/faq.php</a>

if they teach you that a quarter needs a 'th' after it then its no wonder degrees from India aren't worth the paper they are printed on.
 
adamgregory said:
Ragnarok said:
I have a simple solution for all of you , come over to India and receive about the same or slightly less quality of education(i am talking non top tier uni's here) for about 1/4th of what you would pay in the UK.And if you manage to get into the top tier ones (you will need good ranks in the entrance exams) , it will still cost only about 1/3rd of what you would pay in the UK.

<a class="postlink" href="http://india.gov.in/overseas/study_india/faq.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://india.gov.in/overseas/study_india/faq.php</a>

if they teach you that a quater needs a 'th' after it then its no wonder degrees from India aren't worth the paper they are printed on.
One fourth, clown.
 
Ragnarok said:
Damocles said:
Most programmers with degrees from India are seen as incompetent. Sorry, but experience has taught us that programming degrees from India tend to be a bit like confetti.

That is due to the infinite number of worthless private engineering colleges sprouting up like weed everywhere in India.But if you consider the medium to top tier of universities ( the National Institute of Technology's , BITS , DCE , Indian Institute of Technology's , International Institute of Information Technology etc) you can be assured that the graduates will be of a reasonably high quality.

Yeah, that's pretty much the situation.

I actually think that the Indian Unis at the top tier are probably a little better in this field than ours, but the reputation of them is lowered by the amount of dodgy Tech colleges that barely teach a single thing.
 
adamgregory said:
Ragnarok said:
I have a simple solution for all of you , come over to India and receive about the same or slightly less quality of education(i am talking non top tier uni's here) for about 1/4th of what you would pay in the UK.And if you manage to get into the top tier ones (you will need good ranks in the entrance exams) , it will still cost only about 1/3rd of what you would pay in the UK.

<a class="postlink" href="http://india.gov.in/overseas/study_india/faq.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://india.gov.in/overseas/study_india/faq.php</a>

if they teach you that a quater needs a 'th' after it then its no wonder degrees from India aren't worth the paper they are printed on.

Are you serious?
 

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