Two minors suspended by club for offensive chanting at Brighton game | 17 year old charged by GMP (p29)

[blue b4 the moon]

As a junior FOC I've sung allsorts at games over the years some I'm not proud of but it was all 'of the time'.

These kids singing yesterday will only really know Charlton as someone associated via the backroom with the rags and if anything should be a shoulder shrug moment to them.

 

[Nebuchadnezzar]

So, I have a simple question. The next time you hear the "jelly and ice cream" song will you join in?

I often add new verses in my head

 

[artfuldodger]

We've been singing the "jelly and ice cream" song for years. Thousands of impressionable young blues will have heard thousands of older blues singing that song, thousands of times. They will have heard dad's sing it, mum's sing it, brothers, peers, uncle Tom Cobley and all sing it. Drummed into them from an early age, accepted as harmless "bants" without any thought as to the inevitability of it happening.

So, we have a problem here Blues.

If we're calling out and reporting fellow Blues over a couple of misguided Charlton chants, God only knows what will happen when the GPC finally moves on. We'll have more banning orders than SC holders.

We'll have a 1000 page thread with Blue on Blue rows, hand-wringing off the scale, 18-25 group blame, ban hammers, a general shitshow. Older Blues ashamed by the chant, despite the fact they've probably all sang it on every away concourse across the land, as I have..on many an occasion.

There will be totally justified grief across in Trafford, but the grief amongst us Blues will be just as unpleasant.

So, I have a simple question. The next time you hear the "jelly and ice cream" song will you join in?

We were talking about this around the tea table believe it or not. When he dies, much as I don’t want to sing songs about it, do we all have to pretend he was a nice person? He’s a bully. I’m not going to forget the banner, noisy neighbours, not in my life time, and the general arrogance that he showed to us.

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

We were talking about this around the tea table believe it or not. When he dies, much as I don’t want to sing songs about it, do we all have to pretend he was a nice person? He’s a bully. I’m not going to forget the banner, noisy neighbours, not in my life time, and the general arrogance that he showed to us.

It’s football you fucking nob head.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

We were talking about this around the tea table believe it or not. When he dies, much as I don’t want to sing songs about it, do we all have to pretend he was a nice person? He’s a bully. I’m not going to forget the banner, noisy neighbours, not in my life time, and the general arrogance that he showed to us.

Sometimes it's best to just say nothing, I've tried to navigate around the news & media since Saturday but, you'd think Charlton was a saint from the glowing coverage of him.....as I said best to say nowt at times to remain dignified.

I'm hoping when baconface pops off I'm abroad personally.

 

[Iamthemusicman]

I find people signing songs about dead people, alleged sex offenders and various issues seriously weird. People are too sensitive though. Why does anyone care what some random **** they've never met is saying?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

It’s football you fucking nob head.

Indeed, so no need to pretend.

 

[Gray]

We were talking about this around the tea table believe it or not. When he dies, much as I don’t want to sing songs about it, do we all have to pretend he was a nice person? He’s a bully. I’m not going to forget the banner, noisy neighbours, not in my life time, and the general arrogance that he showed to us.

I have already decided I will not take my seat until the game kicks off.

 

[Iamthemusicman]

We've been singing the "jelly and ice cream" song for years. Thousands of impressionable young blues will have heard thousands of older blues singing that song, thousands of times. They will have heard dad's sing it, mum's sing it, brothers, peers, uncle Tom Cobley and all sing it. Drummed into them from an early age, accepted as harmless "bants" without any thought as to the inevitability of it happening.

I've always looked at that song as a backhanded compliment towards to the old ****.

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

Indeed, so no need to pretend.

No. There’s a need to separate it to actual hatred of real things though.

Imagine your mind being that caught up in something before it happens you’re discussing it round the dinner table?

lol.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Chanting about Bobby Charlton yesterday was obviously a disgrace, but there will be an awful lot of oldies on here, who in their younger days, have chanted things that we would all now consider unacceptable.
"Town full of munichs" being one that was trotted out every week when we were down among the dead men. We need to educate out younger fans as to what is and isn't acceptable but hold our hands up and admit that we can all make mistakes rather than call for life bans, etc.

I don’t think anything will top the Spurs one. My god thinking back that one was outrageous.

 

[jamesha]

Like your Dad I went one week City one week Trafford because I couldn’t afford to go to away games.
I was at the last Trafford match before Munich and the first one after Munich.
But the next season I chose City because I had heard things about Trafford that I didn’t like. Plus I was a fan of Duncan Edwards and still feel to this day that he was the best English footballer I have ever seen.
I have been to a couple of away games there over the years but not for about 15 yrs now.

Better than John Stones?
Seriously though sounds like you have some interesting stories to tell. Maybe one of the City podcasters should interview fans like you on their memories of City and football in general.

 

[tweety]

My rag mate sent me the video of the scumbags on SM, should be ashamed of themselves. Identify and ban them, we don't need scum like that associating themselves with our club, they're not one of us.

 

[artfuldodger]

No. There’s a need to separate it to actual hatred of real things though.

Imagine your mind being that caught up in something before it happens you’re discussing it round the dinner table?

lol.

We’re a family of blues. My 23 year old son was showing us the footage of the chants at city yesterday. The conversation turned to how people will behave when Ferguson dies. And what’s hypocritical or not. Do songs that were ok when someone was alive, become offensive when someone dies. It’s no biggie.

 

[Dodge]

No. There’s a need to separate it to actual hatred of real things though.

Imagine your mind being that caught up in something before it happens you’re discussing it round the dinner table?

lol.

It's being discussed around his dinner table because we're getting pelters for Charlton.

Blues are being reported by Blues and the club are threatening banning orders FFS.

Perfectly reasonable to discuss the consequences when GPC pops his clogs.

lol.

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

We’re a family of blues. My 23 year old son was showing us the footage of the chants at city yesterday. The conversation turned to how people will behave when Ferguson dies. And what’s hypocritical or not. Do songs that were ok when someone was alive, become offensive when someone dies. It’s no biggie.

So are we. A family of Blues.

What we’ve never done, and never will do, is sit round the dinner table and discuss what we will do when Taggart dies.

Talks of he’s a bully? The banner? Ffs.

Grow up.

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

It's being discussed around his dinner table because we're getting pelters for Charlton.

Blues are being reported by Blues and the club are threatening banning orders FFS.

Perfectly reasonable to discuss the consequences when GPC pops his clogs.

lol.

No. ‘We’ aren’t.

 

[Dodge]

No. ‘We’ aren’t.

Yes. "We" are.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Wonder the chances of us taking the Franny banner and they having one for Charlton? Two clubs respecting players of the same era who have sadly passed within weeks of each other.


I’d love that to be a thing.

The chances will be absolutely fuck all.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Has the PL tweeted about the eight arrests at the miseryside derby which were for various offences, including hate and tragedy chanting, and ticket touting. Thought not.